Most Important Things to Know For a Motorcycling n00b.

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by MotoMusicMark, Mar 26, 2010.

  1. hscrugby

    hscrugby "That guy"

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    You can pull my driving record to see at any given time my speed will fluctuate 20+mph. My theory on predictions of other people is assume they will never notice me and are liable to drive into me at any point. Sadly I follow that same belief in my lifted Jeep Wrangler, and even more depressing, I get hit MORE in the jeep than I do on the bike. :( Amazing how a giant black jeep is invisible when it's in a parking lot or at a red light. (been hit at least 10-15 times in parking lots)
  2. slide

    slide A nation in despair

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    You are dead bang wrong, here fellow. You are on a fixed roadway so the angles NEVER change. What varies is apparent SPEED.

    If the apparent speed of the other is faster than you, then you will pass behind him. Slower and you will pass in front of him. If there is NO or little difference in apparent speed, you will CRASH.

    I'm amazed you are still alive old timer but also wonder if others who you've advised are doing as well.
  3. Moving Pictures

    Moving Pictures Sir Loin of Biff

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    Dear doG, don't teach children geometry.
  4. dukedinner

    dukedinner Been here awhile

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    maybe this has been said before in the thread, but

    Stay away from groups of cars..pull over and let those stacked up behind you pass...don't follow too closely any groups of cars stacked up in front..All the hotheads are travelling in those packs..this method has saved my ass many times...I think instructors say to ride in the bubble between traffic?
  5. Ahboon

    Ahboon Re-Cycled

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    To exercise this technique you need at least one eye. Maybe that is your problem?

    If I am "dead bang wrong" how come I am alive, saved by this oberservation on more than one occasion, and contributing to this thread? (Contributing from the grave perhaps?)
  6. Ahboon

    Ahboon Re-Cycled

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    Quite: and I held a Pilot Licence for 25 years as well.
  7. ER70S-2

    ER70S-2 Long timer

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    Doesn't look like you need any help, but: the only reason I don't put slide on the ignore list; some of the shit he says is............well..........entertaining. :lol3
    Welcome to the site, I'm 65 in two weeks. :freaky
  8. Ahboon

    Ahboon Re-Cycled

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    I am still working my way through this thread, so please forgive me if it has been said before: -

    Along with other techniques, when riding a gravel road (especially loose gravel) I tend to use higher RPM (lower gear) than I would on a hard surface. The gyroscopic effect of the crankshaft/rotating mass tends to stabilise the bike indepenently from the tyre contact.
    The bike will still tend to move around a bit but will feel and be a lot more stable.

    P.S. This works on a lateral crankshaft configuration. I have limited experience with a longitudinal crankshaft configuration in the loose but the result may be similar. Any R/K series BMW riders out there may be able to add their experience.
  9. Ahboon

    Ahboon Re-Cycled

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    Happy Birthday and thanks for the welcome. You will see from my next post that I am not put off by Slide (or anyone else).
    Maybe we become more pragmatic (thicker skinned) as we get older.

    BTW, make a point to celebrate each and every birthday: they are good for your health.
    (The more you have, the longer you live)

    Cheers
  10. TrashCan

    TrashCan Scary Jerry

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    66 and trying to catch you.:thumb
  11. Ahboon

    Ahboon Re-Cycled

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    You are catching up - the %age you are lagging behind is growing smaller!
    (That's one for Slide to figure.)

    And I believe I am slowing down!
  12. Jon_PDX

    Jon_PDX Long timer

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    Well I feel a lot younger now. I'm coming up on 59. Considering I used to think I would not make it past 30, the last 29 years has been bonus time.

    I agree, the %age one lags behind does get smaller.

    Welcome to the asylum, I mean, ADVrider :D

    Jon...
  13. planemanx15

    planemanx15 Long timer

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    Wow I feel young... 23 in November. A real noob to all of this. Thanks for all the advice guys! :freaky
  14. Mike_drz

    Mike_drz Banned

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    don't over rev your engines :D
  15. CaptainSWJR

    CaptainSWJR Adventurer

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    You managed to describe this in a way that was more confusing than the original. But you are describing (badly) the same thing. The first guy was right, he just didn't fully explain that the "angle" he was describing was the relative bearing of the other vehicle.


    The technique described is called "Constant Bearing, Decreasing Range".

    If you point your finger at the other guy and you don't have to move your arm to stay on him, then you're going to hit if nothing changes. If your arm moves towards the front of your bike, he's going to pass ahead of you. If your arm moves towards the back, he's going to pass behind you.

    The only time this isn't true is if they are running parallel with you or going away (in which case who cares, you're not going to crash into them).
  16. jar944

    jar944 Been here awhile

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  17. slide

    slide A nation in despair

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  18. DAKEZ

    DAKEZ Long timer

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    No. They started riding on dirt which made them better riders on road and allowed for them to survive the riding on road long enough to enjoy riding off road while they are older. :deal

    Because learning to ride OFF road (at any age) makes you a better/safer rider on road. :amazon
  19. JDK111

    JDK111 Been here awhile

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    Nope - he's exactly correct.
    You need to think a little about (and understand) exactly what he said..... it will probably make you a safer driver/boater/pilot.
  20. HooliKen

    HooliKen Awesome is a flavor

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    Assuming we are still talking about an overall riding n00b. You are dead on sir. Riding dirt at any age teaches you more about throttle/brake control, and how YOUR inputs affect how your bike will handle than any number of miles on the street. Not to say you should take your Ultra Classic for a cruise over Ophir Pass. :D