MOTGATT vs. ATGATT

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by svs, Apr 22, 2008.

  1. PacWestGS

    PacWestGS Life Is The Adventure!

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    More of an ATGATT person these days, but have not always been that way. I still remember that last time I crashed (short sleeves and jeans), and I still remember the last time I almost crashed (short sleeves and jeans with a leather jacket strapped on the seat). I've always worn helmet, gloves and over the ankle boots.

    Knowing what it's like to crash - the price I pay in wearing ATGATT is minimal to the recovery period following that one second of indicision leading upto my next crash. :evil
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  2. EvilGenius

    EvilGenius 1.5 Finger Discount

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    I have a DR250, I work for a department store at the local mall (hopefully that'll change soon) and we have a designated employee parking area in one of the open parking lots, but I might be able to persuade them to let me park in the parking garage so I can chain lock my bike to one of the steel pipes. It's not a bad area, I just don't want it out in the open.
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  3. tyrannosaurus_mex

    tyrannosaurus_mex Roaming the Earth

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    I always have a helmet, jacket, gloves and over the ankle boots. My riding boots are so easy to put on and I just feel safer on them holding up my GS Adventure. As for pants, I will ocassionally ride in plain old jeans...however 99% of the time I either wear riding pants with armor, over pants with armor or a pair of Hood Riding Jeans (most of the time with armor, once in a while without). So I guess that makes me a MOTGATT. :norton

    What I like to think about when I start to rationalize on my gear is how hard the damn pavement feels when all I'm doing is kneeling on it to check my tire pressure before a ride. Go out to the asphalt and just drop to your knees. I've never done that, it sounds to painful :D Now imagine hitting it at 60mph. :yikes That gets me into the gear all the time.
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  4. duck

    duck Banned

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    WIFLATT - Whatever I Feel Like At The Time

    I'm pushing 100,000 miles of riding. (Not a record by any means I know but a fairly experienced rider.)

    I actually enjoy riding in Levis and a t-shirt without a helmet. (In the right weather and not city riding.) But I live in Washington where there's a helmet law so often ride my LT with an HJC half helmet if the weather is nice. When touring I always have both a half and fullface with me on that bike.

    I always wear a fullface for city riding - too many idiots aorund here. I always wear gloves, protective eyewear and riding boots.

    I usually wear a well-armored mesh, textile or leather jacket. Draggin jeans or armored pants depending on the weather.

    On my other bikes, I always wear a full-face Arai Quantum because of the wind. I figure if I'm going to wear a helmet, I might as well have a good one.

    Been down twice, one serious accident that totaled the bike and damaged my knee a bit, one not so bad low side into a ditch. In both instances I was wearing a fullface Arai Quantum. In neither case did my helmet touch the ground but in the last few milliseconds before impact I was damned glad to have it on. I suppose I should've learned something from those experiences, guess not...
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  5. Sir Not Appearing

    Sir Not Appearing That's no ordinary rabbit

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    I’m typically MOTGATT. Riding in ATGATT doesn’t work for riding to school where I teach. So when commuting, I’m usually in gloves, helmet, and jacket but no boots or riding pants. If it’s the weekend and I’m riding for fun, then its ATGATT.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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  6. nytrashman

    nytrashman old and in the way

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    i think it is what ever YOU feel comfortable wearing. me, i weat ATGATT no exceptions. my commute is 4 miles and i wear ATGATT. today after work i went approx 2 miles to visit my uncle, again ATGATT no exceptions. tomorrow i plan on riding approx 180 miles of backroads and i will be wearing all the gear. it does not matter how far i go it's all the gear all the time with no exceptions for me. do i get teased about wearing my gear from the guys/girls at work, yup i sure do but then again i average approx 15,000 miles a year MORE then any other rider at work. maybe if i only rode in nice weather, when it wasn't too cold or when it isn't raining or didn't put the miles on the bike that i do i might think differant but for me it is ATGATT with no exceptions. the proper gear will save your life, unless it is sitting home in your closet.
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  7. FatMatt

    FatMatt Pumpkinman

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    ...after a winter's worth of watching crash videos on LiveLeak and YouTube, and studying the foresnics of the victim being thrashed, I'm a believer....spent a fair amount of time and money to outfit with comfortable armor on the bet that if it wasn't too much of a oain in the ass, I would wear it....bet appears to be holding...

    FYI - the gear I'm wearing regularly now includes Sidi vertigo mega boots, podX knee braces, CTI OTS wrist braces and alpinestar SM-X gloves + various armored mesh / textile or leather jackets/pants and a Shoei lid. Also add good slip-on elbows, kevlar shirt and a Thor rooster deflector when wearing a jersey.

    Only ~1 month into the new season, but pretty-much getting used to the ATGATT mode and like it.
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  8. bostonsr

    bostonsr Just weight

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    ATGATT unless "bicycle speeds"

    bicycle speeds is all it takes to get downtown to grab dinner at happy hour.

    abe
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  9. 650VTwin

    650VTwin Been here awhile

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    ATGATT. If you can keep moving swiftly, it isn't THAT hot.
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  10. KTM640Dakar

    KTM640Dakar Motorsick

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    It just sounds funny. Because it is.:doh
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  11. Chromer

    Chromer Not going gentle

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    My girlfriend just broke 3 toes at parking garage speeds, while ATTGAT -- her boot sole (Diadora something-or-other street boots) rolled under and she hyperextended her toes. Aside from a nice bruise on her thigh, no other damage though.

    So now we're ATGATT+motox boots w/ hinged ankles... Much better protection, and I kind of like my feet the way they are -- ski season, and that whole walking thing, you know?

    And last year I had a partridge run out of the weeds at the side of the road at the last second and attack my shin at 65-70mph. That really smarted. Well, it hurt the partridge more. When I looked back all I saw was a cloud of swirling feathers. With the motox boots I'm not sure I'd even feel it now...
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  12. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    I'll alternate between ATTGATT and MOTGATT depending. I don't have warm-weather overpants, so when it warms up (lately) I'm wearing Arborwear tree-climber's pants with double knees or Draggin Jeans.

    Allatime in either my Rallye 2 jacket or a Firstgear perf leather jacket, helmet, gloves, and boots.

    M
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  13. The Raven

    The Raven Banned

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    Two points:

    -I crashed once in ATGATT on a dirt/ice road doing about 35. Bike started to lowside, got traction and decided to high side, sending me flying. I got up with a bloody lip and a sore shoulder, think I cracked it. Now....had I been in something less than ATGATT I would be telling a worse story. I wear what's comfortable, both emotionally and physically. My typical for warm weather local riding is draggin jeans, kili air, and an XD helmet. Warm weather long distance call for the same uppers and over-pants over shorts.

    -Second point is about the footwear issue; think about what your feet do. They hold up your fat asses, provide balance, my mother lowsided a tw200 and hurt her ankle listening to my cruiser riding father on how to take a corner on loose dirt. She was down for most of the riding season. Quite frankly, I would rather lose my primary arm, than the mobility in one of my feet. Feet are very complicated body parts and deserve the same protection as your head.
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  14. Doghouse_Riley

    Doghouse_Riley Wannabe Adventure Tourer

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    Let me tell you from experience, road rash at bicycle speeds is a picnic compared to road rash at motorcycle speeds. I've gone down on a bicycle at 10mph and a motorcycle at 40mph. The bicycle road rash hurt but healed in a couple weeks and left no scars. After the moto crash I had road rash so deep on my foot and knee you could see bone. It took a month to heal and hurt like hell for a week and left scars that are plainly visable to this day 8 years later.
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  15. Mr. B

    Mr. B RiderCoach

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    It seems there is an ATT thread here every week. Along with the usual preaching there is a photo showing an awful case of road rash.

    This thread started off well enough, but it is devolving into the usual "I wear everything I own all the time and you should too" type of preaching. It is nice to see some people admit they don't strictly adhere to the ATT dogma and sometimes just go for a ride and enjoy themselves.

    Oh...I'm a real gear whore and I have way more gear than most people. However, once in a while I'll go for a quick ride with most of the gear and jeans.
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  16. RickE

    RickE Adventurer

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    You've sold me! Where do I get Snell approved helmets for my feet? :wink:
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  17. Lochlyn_Deckard

    Lochlyn_Deckard Dex Moto(naut)

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    :rofl

    One night after I had just started riding, some punk at a gas station said "Hey Astronaut" to me. But I had earplugs in and wasn't sure who had said it. There were a bunch of punks at the station so I decided to ignore them. I told a friend the story later and they said, "Umm, yeah dude, ya kinda do." She started called me the Motonaut. I few months later my uncle was visiting and said the same thing. I guess that's what a white helmet and a white and grey jacket will get ya. Hence the user title I have. I always wanted to be a astronaut. Guess I'll setttle for the next best thing. :D
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  18. TXL

    TXL Been here awhile

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    Well most of us have fallen down on the pavement running faster than 10 mph.
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  19. Doghouse_Riley

    Doghouse_Riley Wannabe Adventure Tourer

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    Yeah, and it hurt too.:ken
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  20. Highcountry

    Highcountry Winds up buying the gas

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    I'm not about to tell anyone else what to do. But I've been down in all the gear and immediately recognized where I'd have been without it.

    So yes, ATGATT. Not worth it, IMO, to do otherwise.

    Also, thanks to a lens-shaped bruise near my kidney that hurt like hell and took a week to start to go away, CISBATT (camera in side bags, all the time). :D
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