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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by ikonoklass, Nov 13, 2012.
As my spine frame illness has progressed, I have learned to empathise with you Loop Frame Nuts.
What a wonderful post, Rocker! Thanks.
Charlie, there was a healthy bit of satire built into that post.
Lobby, though the post was supposed to be kind of funny, there is lots of truth to it. Each era's bikes have devoted followers who are resistant to change, and are always complaining about what is going on with the company now.
Not unlike what the Shovel guys were doing when the Evo came out in the mid-'80s.
Eventually, the new bikes are adopted by the faithful. The Breva 1100 and Norge are two good examples. They started off slow, mainly being bought by newcomers to the brand, but now after a few years have passed, have been enthusiastically adopted by the faithful Tonti California owners.
Try looking at these guys up on Steeles in between Keele and Dufferin, actually just west of Dufferin
George Ruffolo is the owner and really trying hard to please. Give them a try, I think you will like what you see!!
Thanks! I passed the store a couple times, from the signage, I thought it was mostly an MV Agusta dealer. I'll have a look.
Nice!! But the 1400 needs some color; black and white just too plain..
I like the black and white versions a lot....but I do think it would look good in Tenni colors as well
Full video review by Tor Sagen - what a cool bike!
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Boy, he was scraping floorboards in just about every curve. :eek1
^ It looked like it was easy to scrape. Add a pillion and luggage and one might have to fit it with training wheels. Maybe he was leaning it over more than it showed.
Bike sure does have some presence. I like it as it is beautiful.
It does seem to have some of that....much to the contrary of my earlier comments in the thread after seeing pictures. I think the cylinders in the way of highway pegs might dissuade some tourers a bit, but maybe that's cancelled out in the minds of those riders by the fairly neutral foot placement. It seems like a very well thought-out and way-cool bike. Hope Guzzi sells a bunch.
The fairing on a GL1800 keeps you from getting your feet out front - too wide. Lots of touring bikes can't accomodate forward pegs.
Wouldn't the cylinder placement of the Guzzi be the issue, since they're so close to the rider? Never owned a GW, so no idea about those. A google search for Goldwing touring pegs yielded 166,000 results though...
I had a GL1800 - there may be a thousand companies offering highway pegs, but your legs would be spread so far apart you'd be ready to deliver a baby.
Same with my ST1300... there are kits to put flip-out pegs on the fairing nerfs, but who that might be comfortable for I have no idea.
Never looked into that option on any touring bike, especially ones that offered an adjustable seat like my FJR1300 or the ST.
My FXR-S had forward pegs and they were very comfortable.
My point is just that I don't think the lack of that option is going to keep many people from buying a Guzzi. They'll lose more sales due to the bike's perceived quirkiness and small-ish dealer network.
The bike itself is ready for prime time, all of them are since the Piaggio Group took the helm and tipped their wallet upside down.
Also looks like the windshield is low-ish. The test rider appeared to be looking over it, not through it, as he rode along.
It'll be a lot like Triumph in the US. When the wankers get done with every reason NOT to buy on they say "............but it ain't like Harley. I wouldn't ever buy one 'cause there's no dealers. Heck, I can get a T-shirt every 50 miles all across amurica on my hog."
The 1400 looks mighty fine to me.
it's getting some excellent online press too
I'm certain your assertions are absolutely right. I'm just not sure Guzzi will be pulling riders with this bike who aren't already cruiser riders (and tourers). My viewpoint may be skewed by living around and riding with Harley enthusiasts. Two of my riding friends are high-mileage HD guys...one on an Electra Glide, the other a Heritage Softail. I've ridden on several long tours with the softail guy, including a 4000 mile, seven-day tour out west this past summer. He's no poser, but I don't think he rides three blocks to fuel up without his feet on the highway pegs.
I hope Piaggio sells a bunch of them. I really do. As a side note, I drove 250 miles each way today to Milan IL at the invitation of a Guzzi enthusiast, to ride his Griso and Norge in the freezing cold today....man, what great bikes.
And a great guy to let a stranger from the interwebs hop on those beauties. 8 hours of driving for 90 minutes of riding in 38 degree weather, and I still loved them.
To me the MG California 1400 looks like a Road King that's been tarted up by an Italian designer. Not bad to look at probably pretty nice ride. The only reservation I would have is the limited dealer network. If Piaggio could expand their dealer network they could probably do well with their products here in the US.
I kind of agree with your angle, but for me it like both bikes had a similar design path, and then one art of engineers said "hey let's make a bike that has definite roots back to Harley's from decades ago" and the other said "yeah but let's make it sexy and cool instead of just cool"
Dealer network is an issue. Especially since for every awesome dealer like Europa Macchina in central PA or Rose Farm Classics in Chicago or Moto International in Seattle you've got three jokers that don't know their tuckus from their tennis racket. On the other hand they are extremely easy to work on and reliable. A great Indy shop, like Crolli in Erie, PA, has never had any problems for me they couldn't figure out. The good dealers seem to be reliably spread out too, so that there is one close everywhere.
It he dealer issue is a sacrifice, but having a bike that's so unique is really a joy. I've had five Harley's and customized them all, only to rise up to a bike night and almost immediately spot one out that from ten feet away looks like my exact bike. I absolutely LOVED my 2007 road king custom. I spent way too much money customizing it in a direction I was sure would be unique. Went to bike nights, read magazines, etc. then I take it to a big rally and there are a dozen that look just like mine. It wasn't that big a deal, but it was a little annoying. I should have been more creative lol. I hindsight I recognize it wasn't Harley's problem but bit was mine. See how could I expect to make something unique when all I did was shop from the same catalog or two that a million other guys did.
Anyway with a guzzi you'll go to a guzzi group and see bikes like yours too, but the camaraderie makes up for it, and the little touches you make will really stand out and be appreciated.
This California looks awesome. If I was going back to cruiser land for me it would be between this and a triumph thunderbird.