Moto Guzzi Norge first impressions

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Scott of the Sahara, Aug 4, 2010.

  1. waveydavey

    waveydavey happy times!!

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    Congrats on your new bike!! :clap I like bag liners too, there are some inexpensive aftermarket ones out there that work real well. :deal
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  2. Firefighter12

    Firefighter12 n00b

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    thanks, dave.

    any websites you favor for searching for aftermarket stuff? nearly everything i did in the past was bmw-based, and i just held my breath and bought their parts because they always worked and were designed well. heard one notion that the guzzi liner bags aren't as good as they should be.

    respectfully,

    john
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  3. waveydavey

    waveydavey happy times!!

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    nah, I just google, but I think I remember buying a nice set from Cee Bailies (windshield guys) a long time ago....or maybe I dreamt it...:lol3
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  4. jdgretz

    jdgretz Looking for new places

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    A great choice - I purchased my 07 from Dave - best thing I've done since marrying my wife.

    Getting your bike from Dave will eliminate the center stand issue for the most part. Starting in 08, the center stand stop was much smaller than the 07. Cutting it down to 1/4" - 3/8" gets the stand up out of the way. Also, at least on my bike, there was an additional hole drilled in the muffler bracket to move the pipe up a bit - not so far that it hits the bags, but gives a bit more clearance. If you are dragging the center stand after that mod, remove it. I drag the pegs occasionally, but not the center stand. My normal mode includes the panniers.


    The handle indentation will collect water (I guess it doesn't rain in Italy) and when you open the pannier, that collected water will dump into the now open pannier. Check out Bags For Bikes. The ones I've seen from them have been very nice. I have the Moto Guzzi set, but I've never found a reason to use them in almost two years of owning the bike. I just pull the bags and take them into the room at night.

    There is a replacement seal for the panniers that is supposed to help. I got one but haven't ridden in the rain since I installed it (love SoCal winters :D). It feels like I'm getting a better seal, but who knows. That still won't do anything for the water accumulating in the handle area.

    Reflective panels - I got mine from this guy on eBay. Perfect fit.


    If you are a spirited rider (sounds like you are), you'll want to upgrade the suspension and get rid of the Metzlers. I run Dunlop Road Smarts and they make quite a difference in confidence with stock suspension.

    At the end of '07 Guzzi changed the shock spring. While better, it still leaves a lot to be desired and did nothing for the front springs. Todd Egan at GuzziTech talked me into the HyperPro custom shock and matched rear spring as well as the progressive front springs and cartridge emulators. WOW! It's a totally different bike. The front end stays planted in the corners and does not wallow, bumps mid corner no longer cause a sudden jump in heart rate, and the front end dive is greatly reduced. Definitely worth the $1K.

    I've recently changed to a programmable O2 controller. I now have an air fuel mixture of 13.8 to 1 in the areas where the EPA wants it super lean, which fixes some of the ragged low rpm/small throttle opening issues. Low RPM control is much better and the bike just feels nicer at a cost of about 1 MPG. It's not the full re-flashed ECU+custom power commander+auto tune, but it was also only $100. Until I'm ready for the full boat fix, I'm more than satisfied.

    So, welcome to the family. Be sure to check out Wild Guzzi (especially the Wild Goose Chase forum) and GuzziTech for the forums and tech information. You'll probably get the maintenance manual on CD, but it not, it's available on the GuzziTech site. Also, even though it's mostly for older Guzzis, get a copy of Guzziology from Dave (he wrote it). It's THE reference for lessons learned about keeping these beasts running.

    jdg
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  5. Scott of the Sahara

    Scott of the Sahara Been here awhile

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    To give my perspective on the issues you brought up, let me say this:
    #1. I have not had any problems with the centerstand scraping because I just do not lean it that hard. If I was a hard rider, I would take it off.
    #2. When I am going on an overnight trip I use the Hard bags and then I take them off and bring them in the room. Try that with your Harley... I also invested in some big zip lock bags that I can put my clothes in. Problem solved, and my clothes are organized to boot. It is raining in the Northwest today, chances are that I will not be riding the Norge. I realize if you are riding cross country and you get caught in a rain storm, you want the luggage dry. One person talked about some kind of gasket kit for the luggage, but I do not see the need for me.
    I have almost 5000 miles on the Norge and I have not experienced anything bad at all (except my oil dipstick has come apart). I went for an aftermarket larger windshield that is really helpful in the 30 degree riding, and I have the Givi rear trunk that I purchased from Dave. That stays on the bike all the time.
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  6. waveydavey

    waveydavey happy times!!

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    Oh yeah, well the only dipstick problems I have had with my Harley is the ones I have met on the road....

    :lol3

    I like the Norge, nice bike.
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  7. durtwurm

    durtwurm Talented Amateur

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    The only bad part of Guzzi ownership is the weak dealer network. Less dealers than BMW and BMW is weak in that area! When I lived in Iowa there was one Guzzi dealer, since gone. Whereas with Honda or Harley for example there are dealers galore. It is the only reason I don't own a Guzzi! Of course I have owned many BMW's as well. But. Because of the weak dealer network they have would not consider a new one. Now, on the airheads it is a little different as they are easily worked on.
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  8. durtwurm

    durtwurm Talented Amateur

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    Some have called me a dipstick! That's okay. I like to think of myself as someone that dips the stick!
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  9. rocker59

    rocker59 diplomatico di moto

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    And Guzzis are not easy to work on?
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  10. durtwurm

    durtwurm Talented Amateur

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    The older ones are easy, yes. And I didn' mean to leave them out. All newer bikes are generally a bit more problematic regardless of brand. The Guzzis and oilhead BMW's at least have easily adjusted valves.
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  11. JohninVT

    JohninVT Been here awhile

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    A new Guzzi is pretty easy to work on. Changing a tire is more of a pain than installing a Power Commander or adjusting the valves. Unless it's a rear tire, then the single sided swingarm makes it awfully easy.

    Point being, a new Guzzi isn't exactly cutting edge technology. Pretty solid and evolved design.
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  12. durtwurm

    durtwurm Talented Amateur

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    True, but anything with fuel injection complicates things a bit. I know a savvy owner can work on them but carbs are much easier. I know the old Bings on BMW's are a piece of cake.
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  13. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Aspiring advrider

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    Great bike! Dave and folks at Moto-Intl are fantastic.

    I'd rather have Fuel Injection than a carb any day. :norton
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  14. rocker59

    rocker59 diplomatico di moto

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    You know, I used to feel the same way. Then, I got a used '00 model Quota in 2004. I took it in to have the efi adjusted not long after buying it... I never had to adjust it again. Then, I got a used '04 Nero Corsa in 2006. I've yet to have the efi worked on with that bike.

    The point is, I was reluctant to go efi after having such good luck with carbed bikes. But, as it turns out, my experience with efi (on bikes and on cars) is that once set, it's set... It's been a painless transition.
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  15. mrbreeze

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    my wife twisted my arm and made me take her to the flea market. While I was there, I picked up some waterproof bags from a guy selling army surplus stuff. I think I got three of them for something like $10. :D
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  16. durtwurm

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    Don't get me wrong; I am not knocking EFI. I have had it on many bikes and generally it is foolproof. I am only stating I can work on carbs without a problem. EFI? Maybe. But I have not tried yet.
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  17. Firefighter12

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    Especially Mr. Gretz. I will look up those links soon.

    I did get on to Wild Guzzi, but have not yet posted. I wanted to take the time to see what has already been written, (by doing a "Norge" search,) but just haven't gotten it done yet.

    When I rode BMWs (Ks and Rs) they were my only form of transport. Personal preference, obviously. But I found that having the soft luggage would allow me to get away with a more "brief case" approach. The full-face fit in the hard-bag, and I could go into a college class, or a meeting, or the gym, without having to store the hard bag. I can see how it would be a do-able approach if it was overnight accommodations. The Beemer soft-bags were so nice that I kept them even after having (foolishly) sold the motorcycles for which they were designed.

    Thank you, all, for your help.

    Respectfully,

    John
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  18. Scott of the Sahara

    Scott of the Sahara Been here awhile

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    I think the Norge Hard bags will hold a full face helmet.
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  19. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    The difference is you probably won't ever have to.
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  20. JohninVT

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    I bought VDSTS and a Twinmax used for $150. With those I can run diagnostics on the bike, reset the TPS and balance the throttle bodies. It is actually easier to mess with EFI than carbs.

    I like mechanical things. I like working with carbs and it's more rewarding to tune a bike with carbs but it is easier with EFI. There is no guess work.
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