Moto Guzzi Stelvio (merged) threadfest...

Discussion in 'Moto Bellissima: All Other Dualsports' started by young skywalker, Jan 8, 2006.

  1. kirb

    kirb should be out riding

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    Set the wheels in motion to replace the 2012 NTX that was tanked by a deer...with a 2013 NTX.

    Next warm day and I'll be filling the garage where an empty slot was since 9/30
  2. Sock Monkey

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    Congrats Kirb!

    Says a lot about the bike that you are replacing it with another one. :thumb

    Ride safe....and buy one of those deer whistles and attach it to your bike. I've heard they actually work. :dunno

    -SM
  3. pyoungbl

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    Kirb, pull the valve covers on your '13. There is a good chance you will find roller tappets under there. Word is that the '13 big blocks have rollers. I'd appreciate confirmation.

    Peter Y.
  4. kirb

    kirb should be out riding

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    I will check for rollers when I get the bike. It might be a bit before the weather breaks. I need to get my hands on it to get it to where my other one was.

    This bike was at the dealer when I brought my other one in so the adjuster could work with the dealer. I assumed it was a 2012 as this was early October. The dealer checked today and said it was a 2013.

    I'll keep you all posted.
  5. rocker59

    rocker59 diplomatico di moto

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    http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=59408.0

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    They have shown up in the Norges...
  6. JJLalas

    JJLalas Adventurer

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    Not all 8V engined Guzzis sold today have roller tappets. The remaining stock of bikes with flat tappets is being sold as well. The percentage of failure on flat tappet engines from late November onwards is around 2% only.
  7. Chuck in Indiana

    Chuck in Indiana Been here awhile

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    My '12 NTX, picked up in late-June from the dealer in Woodstock, IL, has Engine Number AC 012710. My dealer said it has the roller tappets.

    If this new bike has a later engine number (ie; numerically larger), it would seem logical that it would also have the rollers. However, old time Guzzi owners seem to agree there is no logic to what the factory does in some cases.
  8. Mr. B

    Mr. B Contrarian

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    Roller tappets, huh. I haven't had to do MG valves yet, but all I've ever heard is how easy it is. Will this change affect the maintenance? BTW, I have no idea whether my bike has them. (Delivered in late August)
  9. kirb

    kirb should be out riding

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    Rollers won't impact valve adjustment. The valve adjustment is done with feeler gauges, adjusters, and locknuts on the actuator on top of the valve itself. The rollers are on the other end (the part that runs off the cam). The rollers, in general, are supposed to reduce the operational friction of a solid lifter running on a cam face.

    Shouldn't impact day to day work at all.
  10. MoToad

    MoToad Been here awhile

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    Had to refresh my memory on these guys. If they are rollers does that not mean a whole new cam setup? The profile for roller style cams is radically different from the flat, is it not?
  11. kirb

    kirb should be out riding

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    Depends on part numbers...I don't know if there are any parts numbers in books we can see for the newer engines yet.
  12. pyoungbl

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    Pete Roper in Oz has looked into this, see his posts at guzzitech.com. Evidently the cam profile is the same but there are quite a few different part numbers for related parts (just in case you were inclined to swap out to rollers). The ECU is the same too. In theory one can run a more aggressive cam profile with rollers. The actual adjustment has not changed, still the simplest in motorcycledom.

    Peter Y.
  13. kirb

    kirb should be out riding

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    So...discussing the sale with the dealer today. Wanted to get the heated grips. They said it comes with them. I mentioned that the 2012s had the sofware/hardware for the grips, but no grips were included. They stated they are included on the 2013 bikes and are about 90% sure the bike has them on already. They will put them on if they are incorrect.

    Another 2013 tidbit.
  14. Sock Monkey

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    Good news if true. The NTX should have come with heated grips from the get-go..... :norton

    -SM
  15. James Adams

    James Adams ɹǝsn uʍop ǝpᴉsdn Administrator

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    It would take about 2 seconds to check for the wires going to the grips. If they have the bike, then I'm not sure how there would be any uncertainty.
  16. stevie88

    stevie88 That's gotta hurt

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    My 2013 that arrived 12/1/2012 did not have heated grips factory installed.
  17. pyoungbl

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    I finally installed replacement aux lights on my NTX. These are Mondo Moto http://www.mondomotos.com/ and considerably smaller than the Hella items that came on my NTX. [​IMG]

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    The new lights are half the weight of the Hellas. In my garage the new lights seem as bright as the old ones.

    Peter Y.
  18. kirb

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    My dealer's floor is full of sleds, it's 30 degrees, and my bike is in storage. That is the reason it cannot be confirmed at this point. I suspect the bike doesn't have them, but they at least will take care of it if wrong.
  19. Sock Monkey

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    So, last night ended up being a bit of an experiment. My low fuel light came on during my ride into work and 1 bar was showing on the gauge. I figured I'd stop on my way home and fill up. Well....it was a long day and I just wanted to head for the barn, so I bypassed the stations on my home and pulled into the garage with no bars showing and 41 miles since the low fuel light had come on. This morning I finally fueled up at a station near my house and filled it right to the top......7.3 gallons, 42 miles since the light came on. :huh That means I still had another 1+ gallons in the tank for yet another 35-40 miles. 260 miles were showing on the trip for that tank, so the range looks to be around 300 miles of "all roads" riding (surface streets to 75mph + :evil freeway blasting).

    My question to you other Stelviites (tm) :lol3 : Do you have approx. 2 gallons left when your low fuel light comes on? :ear

    -SM
  20. Sock Monkey

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    Looks good Peter! I love the size and the fact that they're 3m submersible. The Hella's are completely open to the elements and I doubt they would survive a water crossing. :cry

    Did you order the MM10 "Lights only" option and just tie into the existing wiring?

    Any pics of them mounted on the bike?

    Thanks! :thumb

    -SM