MotoGP: Catalonia, not Catalunya (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Racing' started by yooperbikemike, Jun 10, 2013.

  1. Crisis management

    Crisis management Latte riders FTW!

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    I think what we are seeing is the transition from point and shoot cornering (Dani's a great example of this) to a more small displacement style of racing where corner speed is the aim. Jorge is the main proponent of this, carrying the highest corner speeds and lean angles and others are following this. With top speed and braking fairly equal the only area for gain is in corner speed and the only way to achieve this is with smooth control and extreme lean, you really need a feel for the tyres.
    Dani is adapting to this and I see less of his dramatic "stand the machine up and go" style, Mark, I believe, has the best feel for the edge grip of tyres and is faster than Dani because of this. Vales' traditional style of riding is not as smooth and will not let him be competitive, his charge through the pack riding does not provide the advantage it used to, it's all about managing the tenths now, not a short burst on the ragged edge.

    Actually this is why the racing can appear boring, you really need to drill down to look at the fine control on display (thank christ for high speed cameras!) and appreciate the precision required. Probably why moto 2 is more appealing!
  2. PeteN95

    PeteN95 Long timer

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    I think it's called "video game reaction time" and does he even have to shave yet?! :lol3 Along with fearlessness, two more advantages of youth.
  3. Lurky-Loo

    Lurky-Loo Been here awhile

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    How do you define "faster"? Since neither Pedrosa nor Marquez have been taken out by other riders, the standings speak for themselves.
  4. Crisis management

    Crisis management Latte riders FTW!

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    I haven't looked at timing but watching Mark chewing on Danis' back tyre and only not getting past due to Danis' defensive riding on sunday looked like the faster guy was Mark. :deal
    I'm not saying he is going to clean up the championship as he runs the risk of crashing more than Dani but I believe he can ride faster than Dani.
  5. mike54

    mike54 You don't get me

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    For how long? At Mugello he got past Dani and crashed in the next corner. Looks to me like he needs Dani in front to help him finish the race. :D
    I keed I keed.

    I see a lot of pressure on Dani this year. Most of all he needs to finish every race as well as he can. Marauez is not making that easy.
  6. ICERIDER

    ICERIDER Adventure Rider

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    Please don't use these words again!!!:eek1

    Yes young Marquez is something special but I really hope DP gets his crown this season.
  7. swimmer

    swimmer armchair asshole

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    FWIW, avg. QP this year.
    Dani 2.5
    MM 3.8
    JLo 2
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    swimmer armchair asshole

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  9. Lurky-Loo

    Lurky-Loo Been here awhile

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    Pretty much. To paraphrase Hunter S. Thompson, the measure of a racer's skill is his preferred traveling speed compared to his finishing order.

    Marquez is off to a fantastic start, but he's not faster than Pedrosa or Lorenzo yet; let's not get carried away.
  10. Pecha72

    Pecha72 Long timer

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    well, so far MM is almost matching DP´s pace in every session and race, and has even beaten DP a few times. That´s very remarkable for a rookie.
  11. Kropotkin

    Kropotkin Big Girl's Blouse

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    Of the six races so far, Marc Marquez set the fastest lap in four of them. He has the speed, it's the racecraft and managing a MotoGP bike to the end of a race that is missing.
  12. Skowinski

    Skowinski Eukaryote

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    And I'd bet a wad of cash that that last part is coming really soon.
  13. Lurky-Loo

    Lurky-Loo Been here awhile

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    He's not as fast as Pedrosa over the length of a race (so far this season). We agree.

    Seems to me other definitions -- qualifying avg, top speed, fastest lap -- are confusing a pretty simple concept. The fastest rider is the guy ahead in the standings, barring forced crashes or force majeure.

    There's a BMW M6 waiting for the best qualifier, but I don't know that the recipient will be considered the fastest rider of the season, just the guy with the best grid spots.
  14. Kropotkin

    Kropotkin Big Girl's Blouse

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    Clearly, Pedrosa is the faster of the two at the moment. No argument. But Marquez' debut is extraordinary, even by the standards of the other aliens. I checked, and Lorenzo only had the fastest race lap once in his early races on the Yamaha, at Estoril.

    After the race in Barcelona, Marquez says he pushes hard and beyond his comfort zone to stay with Pedrosa and Lorenzo, because he will only learn behind them. Said once again he learned a load of stuff behind Pedrosa.
  15. Pecha72

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    MM has actually beaten DP twice out of six races. Had he stayed upright a few more laps in Italy, they'd be 3-3 now at Repsol. DP knows just like everybody else, that there will be no stopping Marquez, once he learns the bike properly.

    (and I'd like to see DP win it this year).
  16. brents347

    brents347 Trusting my Cape...

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    The problem with this theory is that it sounds like you are assuming that if MM hadn't crashed in Italy, he would have won. That's a big assumption. And that's why thus far Pedrosa is the faster rider over race distance. No assumptions, no opinions or conjuncture. Just results. Is MM fast as stink? No doubt. Is Pedrosa the consistently faster rider at this point? That's what the points say.
  17. twotyred

    twotyred Practising Recedivist

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    If Marquez hadn't crashed he would have finished second, still ahead of Dani.
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    brents347 Trusting my Cape...

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    O.k., second. That is still an assumption.
  19. wrk2surf

    wrk2surf on the gas or brakes

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    shoulda coulda woulda.. same thing happened to Jorge his first couple years.. only he got flung more as opposed to looooosing the front...
  20. Pecha72

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    I only said, that IF Marquez had not gone down a few laps before the finish in Italy, then he could have beaten Pedrosa in every other race this year. But he went down, and now it´s 4-2. Surely Pedrosa has been a bit wiser, and it shows on the points table. Just meant to say, that MM already gets frighteningly close to DP, and that´s remarkable, when you think how little experience he still has on MotoGP (and also remember, how well DP is performing right now).