MotoGP: Holland Days (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Racing' started by yooperbikemike, Jun 25, 2013.

  1. cogitate

    cogitate What Marcellus Wallace Looks Like

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    Yeahbut..........



    In 08 Stoner was ahead of Rossi in points even after Laguna Seca, iirc, and then the momentum shifted during that race.


    At their level, it comes down to managing the smallest of details. Lorenzo is a master at getting them right. Pedrosa, not so much.

    Rossi's ability has been questioned since 2010, now we will see.
  2. cogitate

    cogitate What Marcellus Wallace Looks Like

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    Agreed. Five guys fighting for wins is fun stuff to watch :clap
  3. Pecha72

    Pecha72 Long timer

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    A healthy Rossi would have probably put up a decent fight. Doesn´t mean JLo could not have been champion anyway. We will never know, so it´s useless to speculate. And no, it wasn´t a gift, they´ve all deserved to be champions.
  4. Kropotkin

    Kropotkin Big Girl's Blouse

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    It was no fluke. The new package Rossi talks about (I'm not exactly sure what it is, but it includes some minor suspension part changes as well as a small set up tweak) has restored his confidence in braking. I asked him every day whether the package was working, and every day, he said yes, the bike still feels good.

    That puts him running at the front every weekend, but that won't translate into wins that easily. Rossi himself acknowledged that the level of riding is much higher than it was when he came into the class, and Lorenzo, Pedrosa and Marquez have moved the goalposts. He will be battling for one of the spots on the podium every week, the question is which one. And the problem is, there are five guys chasing three podium slots...

    Certainly makes the championship much more unpredictable. Easy for both Lorenzo and Pedrosa to start losing a lot of points to one another now.
  5. Pecha72

    Pecha72 Long timer

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    In racing (threads) you´re only as good as your latest race was, so I guess it should now be Dani Pedrosa´s turn to be "finished" or "over the hill"............ :lol3
  6. Mike Yanagita

    Mike Yanagita Been here awhile

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    I think some questions were answered. Like whether Stoner was riding the Ducati at 100% and whether Rossi and Burgess could fix the Ducati's problems in 80 seconds, or really whether Stoner was a better rider during the 800 era than Rossi.

    Far as I can tell, Rossi and Crutchlow are just about even in terms of riding the M1, but neither is where Lorenzo is; I suspect if you put Pedrosa and Marquez on an M1, Rossi would still be around where he is in the standings.

    As you said, we will see, but a pattern is discernible.
  7. sprocketjock

    sprocketjock Been here awhile

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    :nod
  8. Mike Yanagita

    Mike Yanagita Been here awhile

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    It'll be a long summer break of stewing in unhappy juices for Pedrosa if he doesn't win Sachsenring and do well at Laguna. He says the plan is to win both.
  9. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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    I said he was done after the first race !
    JLo is still a better title bet than Dani.
  10. Mike Yanagita

    Mike Yanagita Been here awhile

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    If the next 11 rounds go the way of the first 7, Pedrosa will be done all the way to his first WC.

    I think you're missing Pecha's point.
  11. Drif10

    Drif10 Accredited Jackass

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    Dani is still leading, while they're racing the tracks touted to favor the Yamaha's strengths.

    Remember last season? When he hit the the Honda preferred tracks, he cleaned up. And JL didn't win, just kept pinging second places. He had enough of a lead to do that.

    This year, there you've got VR, MM, and CC right there to take wins/points. Last year, only CS was the spoiler. And he was injured for a while too.

    Statistically, if DP can hold the lead until the break, he's got it made.
  12. Parx400

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    Last year Germany was a Honda track. Remember the dani/ CS battle? I think the next few tracks favor him.
  13. spezjag

    spezjag Long timer

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    That, of course, will not stop us from doing so . . .
  14. Closed Casket

    Closed Casket Jaded and Faded

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    This is Dani's WC to lose. Besides the history of his performance the second half of last season, don't forget the engine issue for Yammie compared to Honda.

    Marquez is the major threat to Dani, not JL and certainly not Rossi. As much as I would love to see MM get the championship his rookie year, I really think Dani deserves this one.

    Holy crap did I just say that? :lol3
  15. swimmer

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    I think anyone is crazy to count out any of the top 3. I just hope we see no more injuries so this thing can play itself out in all it's glory. The way MM (with injuries) and VR rode this past weekend just means one thing to me. Shit Just Got Real.
  16. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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    No I'm not. We're all entitled to our opinions, and mine is that Pedrobot won't win it again.
  17. Mike Yanagita

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    Again?

    Point is, a lot of people wrote off Pedrosa after the first round, and instead of learning the lesson that one mediocre result does not a disaster make, another 4th place has brought out a few doomsayers. My advice is to be consistent, don't wait for a mediocre result -- when/if he wins Sachsenring, keep saying he won't win, it should be good for a laugh.
  18. Mr Head

    Mr Head PowerPoint ADV

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    I think this is Dani's year to win the Championship. He's riding smart and consistant.

    He ain't done standing on that top step. I wouldn't count Marc out of another trip there either, Nor Lorenzo or the old bastard Rossi.
    And I'll still keep rooting for Cal to step up there.

    Heck I'm not even going to stop hoping for Edwards to snag his first. :lol3

    But, I'm a crazy old fart. :freaky

    All three races were great and that QP set up has been a great show the last two races.
  19. BeeCeeGS

    BeeCeeGS WeaponOfMassDestruction

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    I see four races remaining on the calendar where Jorge finished ahead of Dani last year: Silverstone (Jorge 1st; Dani 3rd), Misano (Jorge won; Dani DNF'); Phillip Island (Jorge 2nd; Dani crashed), and Laguna (Jorge 2nd; Dani 3rd).

    Things are still looking good for Dani, but I hope Jorge is able to fight him to the end without problems from his engine allocation. Of course, a younger Spaniard (provided he keeps bouncing well when he crashes) just might come up the middle and claim the title for himself.
  20. HoneyBunz

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    Pedrosa seemed psychologically defeated.
    He was supposed to win the 2 previous races, but didn't.
    He blew off a chance to improve his Qualifying time here.
    He didn't look hungry for a win. MM was faster. Rossi and Crutchlow were faster. He damn near got beat by the one-armed man.
    Perhaps if he was transfused with a pint of blood from Hector he could
    get more fired up.:lol3