MotoGP: Holland Days (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Racing' started by yooperbikemike, Jun 25, 2013.

  1. Osmin C

    Osmin C Been here awhile

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    That would be amazing...but even if he gets past his previous bad luck, he isnt riding the most competative bike. Get past that....well, just look at Dovi and Nicky.
  2. bikerfish

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    Spies? podium?? you better call Bautista and tell him to get busy taking people out! I've always been a spies fan, but I think his time in motogp is done. if he couldn't do it on the factory Yamaha, he's not going to do it. yes, he had some bad luck, but in between the bad luck, he also had lackluster performances. he seemed to do better on the tech 3 bike, which makes me wonder, would crutchlow be better on the factory bike? or better staying where he's at??
    I don't think Lorenzo needs the money, pretty sure he's already financially set for a good long time, like I said, desire to be the best, and the fact he doesn't have to report to work at 7am Monday morning and pound nails!
    I agree, it's a great season so far, hope it continues!!
  3. Parx400

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    Spies has no real set up right now for the bike. The bike itself is junk. He has done very well at Indy every year so maybe he will do ok.

    Maybe one of his team mates will give him set up data.
  4. azkiwi

    azkiwi message in a bottle

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    :deal
  5. ErikY.

    ErikY. Here, Now.

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    A realistic goal might be beating Pol and/or getting into QP 2 occasionally.
  6. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    Interesting view. IMO, people who pursue highly paid careers are there to get paid. It's the most important part of their game. Getting paid is the only form of recognition that counts. Everything else is just 'noise'.

    People who's priority is to feel good about themselves choose much less competitive careers. Careers where they are not measured by their market value.
  7. Kropotkin

    Kropotkin Big Girl's Blouse

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    Valentino Rossi took a massive pay cut - and I do mean really massive - to return to Yamaha. He went back to Yamaha because he believed it was his best chance of winning (and Assen proved him right). I think that just about conclusively disproves the theory that money is the sole motivator.

    People are motivated by a lot of things, but most of all, prestige. The reason that salaries among US CEOs have spiraled out of control has nothing to do with the absolute amount they earn, and more to do with their relative amounts. Their massive egos (just like professional sports stars) mean that they want to be paid more than the other guy. How much that is (above a certain minimum, of course) is irrelevant, it's about having MORE than the other guy. It's about winning.

    Same with professional athletes. They go to teams either to establish their reputation in some way - the savior of a franchise, the only rider to win on X number of brands - or to try to win races and a championship. Money is one part of that recognition - Rossi left Yamaha because they wanted him to take a pay cut, while paying Lorenzo more - but the absolute quantities are not the main motivator.
  8. Moronic

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    Motorcycle racing is barely a career at all, and far from a highly paid one.

    It's a hobby. You get to the top of it only if you'd rather race than make money.

    As I suspect you know perfectly well. :wink:
  9. JNRobert

    JNRobert Breaking Wind

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    I don't think that's true, but that's for CSM not here. Both may be extraordinarily competitive though.
  10. Kropotkin

    Kropotkin Big Girl's Blouse

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    Agreed it's debatable. My point is that the competitive nature of both elite athletes and elite businesspeople is that they measure themselves against their rivals, first and foremost. Money is one way of measuring, in sports there are other ways of comparing and measuring relative performance.
  11. fdl3

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    Fixed.
  12. ErikY.

    ErikY. Here, Now.

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    Yes fair enough. I really like the guy and saw him podium at Indy; always hoping he'll get it happening.
  13. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    Valentino Rossi still got paid. According to Forbes, he still made over $20 million and is the highest paid rider in the sport. Regarding star pro athletes, money is still the primary measure of their status. When they can't get the contracts of the size they feel they are worth, they usually retire. Sure there are a few anomalies like Jaromir Jagr, but not many. If Peyton Manning couldn't get the headline deal last time around, I guarantee he wouldn't continue in the sport just to be a starting quarterback. Tom Brady is a little different in that he traditionally gets a big contract, then restructures it so the team can acquire or retain certain talents that he needs to perform well. But he's still one of the highest paid athletes in football.

    I think winning a championship is probably most important for aging stars, so I agree with you on that front. They will accept less money in exchange for a better chance to finally win their first, or maybe one more ring. Perhaps Rossi fills that profile, but he still got paid richly.

    No question in the executive suite. Bonus time is when everybody compares notes. If you are one of those looking for the gold ring and your bonus comes in under your rivals, you move on to a new suite somewhere else. At the end of your career, you get pushed out by the young lions coming up to claim their share. When that happens, you either retire or take on a hobby role to stay in the game. Some sort of emeritus position or maybe a top job in the minor leagues.

    My point is that none of these people are social workers. Their compensation defines them.
  14. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    Yeah I know that first hand. Eventually you have to join society and get a real job. :D

    Kind of painful watching some of the talent coming up forced to make the same choice. :cry
  15. azkiwi

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    Athletes are in a crossover zone between 'normal' highly paid people and entertainers. The lawyer, executive or hedge funder needs the massive payout for bragging rights among his peers, but the entertainer wants to be famous. Those craving fame wake up everyday thinking about how they can be more famous, not just richer (see Paris Hilton).

    Rossi already has the money (and peer respect) so he is working on his legacy. That's why he went to Ducati in the first place - right?

    If Yamaha offered him the #1 rider position, he would do it for free.:evil
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    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    Good points, but Rossi will never ride for free as long as he is competitive. :D

    He couldn't continue riding around the back on a Ducati, if for no other reason than the money would eventually dry up. :deal

    He's already better than Spies was on that bike and he's still gaining on it. Looking forward to a few more big battles out of him.
  17. Kropotkin

    Kropotkin Big Girl's Blouse

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    I was told by someone on Lorenzo's side of the garage that Yamaha aren't paying Rossi at all. Dorna is paying his wage.
  18. sailor22

    sailor22 Jay Pegg pusher

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    I'm sure that number reflects the endorsement income as well as salary. While it seems VR is riding to prove something more than to get a fat check it is also true the best advertising and endorsement deals go to winners.
  19. wiseblood

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    Humm... Do you think it's an accurate rumor?

    I don't know the business like you do, but I am inclined to interpret "Dorna is paying [Rossi's] wage" as follows: Rossi is getting a direct cut of revenue from advertising and paid promotion, as opposed to a salary.
  20. Kropotkin

    Kropotkin Big Girl's Blouse

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    The person who told me that is in a position to know, but he is also in a position to want information to be spun a particular way. I believe him, but I wonder why he felt the need to tell me.

    The way it was told to me, I understood to mean that he was being paid a salary by Dorna. Makes sense.