MotoGP: It Aint Over 'til it's Over (Spoilers, all in)

Discussion in 'Racing' started by yooperbikemike, Nov 6, 2017.

  1. Mr Head

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    I did a lap analysis yesterday too. I'm retired and with my wife off at work, I am unsupervised as well. :imaposer
    So, being an engineer I wanted to look at the numbers to see what they told me.
    I think the numbers support Oxley too.
    What I saw watching the race was Dovi taking a different line to George only to much like Max Biaggi finding Lorenzo where he wanted to be come the apex. There was a bit of checking up going on behind George.

    Now, what I figured might have happened would be that Dovi getting past George would let Dovi have that tiny bit of clear track to pursue Pedrosa.
    And when Marc, performed his elbow trick that would place Lorenzo in position to fend Marc off since by then the Mamba valves and butter would be working cool and smooth. :lol3
    Maybe not. :clap

    2017 is over, Marc is champion.
    Again.
    2018 is under way.
    Dear George is going to have another fun season. :rofl

    I'm looking forward to Paddock Pass Podcast more than ever after this season. :clap
  2. Pecha72

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    I think George probably has a 3rd eye where the sun doesn't shine. That's how he knew Dovi's not fast enough, so he better give him some tow.
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  3. sTE610vE

    sTE610vE First on the brakes, last on the gas...

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    I'm still wondering how the Yamahas could start out so strong and turn to such crap in the middle of the season? Was it a Michelin tire change? If it was only Rossi everyone would be writing it off to age but Vinales had the same problems and he retained Forcada doing his bike work?
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  4. SGrider

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    A champion will make it happen, and that is why Marquez is the champion and not Dovi. If it weren't for the Honda blowing up it would have already been over.

    If Dovi were any faster than Lorenzo then he should have stuffed inside and moved him out of the way, I'm sure Lorenzo wouldn't have challenged him at that point.
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  5. JBird

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    It makes sense to me to let JL pull AD up. If JL is the 1st to arrive he can take the risky dives up the inside and apply the pressure, possible to the point of a causing mistake out of MM. Then he lets AD past. If JL bins it trying - which he did - Dovi is still upright - which he was.

    What if there is more code to MAP 8 and -1 then we all know? Certainly these guys are more sophisticated than that! Like map 8 is what you want in the rain in Malaysia and in the dry in Valencia?? And you wouldn't use the same code for "Let Dovi By" two races in a row - even Belichick is smarter than that.

    We will never know - but we do know Dovi didn't have the pace and MM finished in the top 11 so it didn't matter.
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  6. kenny robert

    kenny robert Been here awhile

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    well piro is duc tester. even jorge can see happy there. happy here
    piro is a very important valuable asset to ducati and team
    but not letting ad thru ? needs his jaw busted for dicklick move like that
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  7. UngaWunga

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    lol.... Love it. Even if the ducati bros swapped positions, the end result would have been the same. Dovi was not going to win that race, even if Marquez crashed out. But keep on bitching. I'm sure you guys can make 30 pages. :lol3
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  8. DogBoy

    DogBoy Not a Gnarly Adventurer

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    Its good to see this recent team orders outrage matches the outrage from the Baz/Sykes dust-up a few years back because its totally the same thing. Except its not.
  9. sTE610vE

    sTE610vE First on the brakes, last on the gas...

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    I noticed that too. I think he was only using Piro to help himself as I recall Piro riding on front of him at other parts of the session.

    Too bad he didn't want to be a good teammate to Dovi and help him qualify better in the one race he had a chance, probably in his entire career, to win a championship at the highest level...that's what I thought when I watched qualifying
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    Bingo. Baz/Sykes was where Baz actually could have let Sykes win a championship. MotoGP there was no way Dovi was going to win it. But let's break his jaw. lol
  15. limbo63

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    you cannot know that.
    MM almost layed it down.
    JL was gaining pedrosa.
    AD consistently finished races higher and faster than JL
    JZ has a habit of rolling around in the gravel trap
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  16. Pecha72

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    Maybe the title doesn't change. Sure, it looked very improbable.. Or maybe it does? Now we'll never know for sure. MM showed that he can take stupid risks, who knows how it would've played out had AD been there with him. I'm sure the internet experts know all that, too. There's still plenty of unused bitching potential here.
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  17. Jim Moore

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    Fuck team orders. You want to take the MotoGP crown away from Mark Marquez, you need to qualify first. You need to get the hole shot. You need to win the race. Sitting around in fifth hoping something dramatic will happen at the front isn't gonna cut it. Do you think Marquez would have had a problem getting past JLo if the championship was on the line? Marquez would have un-assed that clown two laps in.
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    neither JLo nor Dovi had the speed to win anyway, the discussion is rather pointless.
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    Yes I know AD was lacking speed.
    Doesn't change the fact, that JL had plenty of good reasons to allow him through, including his own promise, to be a team player. And yet he chose not to do it.
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    No matter how you play it out, Dovi was too slow. If he had been fast enough to stay with the Hondas and Zarco, he would've passed Lorenzo on his own. He was going flat out, like Lorenzo. If there had been a crash at the front, maybe for some reason even with Zarco and Marquez involved, Dovi would still have to beat Pedrosa.

    On the other hand, Lorenzo was usually quick in the first half of a race and got slower later into the race. The plan may have been to have Lorenzo pull Dovi as close as he can get him for the first couple of laps, and as soon as Lorenzo is in Dovis way, Dovi overtakes and has to do the rest himself.
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