MotoGP: Motegi (Spoilers)

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  1. NVTS

    NVTS Are you ennen oh eff tee

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    Maybe this is 205 but... Rossi has taken the dangling leg thing to a new level. Is he on the verge of cracking open the latest handling nuance since countersteering? I can see wee DannyP fighting to keep his foot on the peg while braking from 190mph but The Doctor? Insight, anyone.

    Maybe Rossi is really itching to ride some dirttrack. Will he be at the Indy Mile this year?:evil NVTS
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  2. yooperbikemike

    yooperbikemike high, wide and handsome

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    All the kewl 250 kids do this, to some extent or another, claiming that it helps with turn-in, especially on lefts. Rossi started the practice and seems to have brought it to a new level this year. If he drops the foot down any lower he's going to need a Maely shoe pretty soon.
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  3. yooperbikemike

    yooperbikemike high, wide and handsome

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    Casey came up from 250's with LCR (Lucio Cecchinello Racing), which is about as Italian as it gets.
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  4. mdubya

    mdubya Right Brigade

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    I have never experienced Moto GP brakes, or even SBK level brake. Good supersport brakes are about the best I have tried. When you have super grippy, machined from billit foot pegs, you can't simply slide your foot around on them. So, when going from rear brake or shifting, to tipping into the corner, you must lift your foot off the peg to move it back into position so your toes don't drag in the corner. However, when you are hauling it down from 190 or so on the brakes, the centrifical forces pull your leg forward until you begin to ease off the brake. This is the phenominon we are witnessing. Rossi does it in a super exagerated form. In my experience, you can either waste energy fighting the centrifcal force, or you can let it dangle and conserve energy.
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  5. xlcr

    xlcr Stop being a dick, dick.

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    Or maybe he's using his foot for ballast to keep the rear tire on the ground.
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  6. azkiwi

    azkiwi message in a bottle

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    The Monster Yamaha Tech 3 team remained tight lipped as to cause of the Texan's difficulties, rumoured to be electronic related, but Edwards - who had slumped to last by the end of lap two, kept his composure and eventually regained pace.

    “I'd like to thank Colin for his efforts today in difficult circumstances,” said team manager Herve Poncharal. “He had a problem before the start and we are still investigating the cause with Yamaha. But his pace in the second half of the race was very impressive, so we know that Colin is in very good form heading into Europe.”
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  7. Kropotkin

    Kropotkin Big Girl's Blouse

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    According to Michael Scott in this week's GPWeek (available from http://www.gpweek.com), Edwards' bike switched itself to a wet setting, leaving him horribly underpowered.
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  8. jeiff

    jeiff Been here awhile

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    Interesting concept. If true, I would expect more "Doohan-style" thumb-actuated rear brakes in the future to allow both feet to get into the act. Of course, that will move this from Slightly Silly to Very Silly looking status in short order.
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  9. yooperbikemike

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    That sounds like the kind of sabotage that, say, a crew chief could pull off. :augie
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    Interestingly; Toseland finished 9th but only set the 15th fastest race lap - Edwards finished 12th but ran the 5th fastest race lap, so we can see who had the best setup.
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    :evil
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  12. yooperbikemike

    yooperbikemike high, wide and handsome

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    From a Casey Stoner interview in Soup:

    [SIZE=-1]Q ... I noticed last year when you were running it in really hard on left-handers, your left foot would go light on the peg once in a while.[/SIZE]
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    [SIZE=-1]A Yeah, but Valentino does the same thing, and so does Dani, and they've got almost no dirt-track background or experience.[/SIZE]
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    [SIZE=-1]Q Is it a comfort thing?[/SIZE]
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    [SIZE=-1]A No, all it is is leverage, really. As you go on the brakes, before - you go back your gears, and then just before you put your foot back on the footpeg, it's sort of a leverage, to sort of help it tip in, I suppose. But there's nothing you can really explain of why we do it. It's just it's a natural thing, the way we ride. But it's not any particular reason. It's definitely not coming from dirt- track.[/SIZE]


    [SIZE=-1]My theory is that they saw Rossi doing it so they all had to try it.
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  13. azkiwi

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    :lurk Don't sugar-coat it, Colin

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  14. Jinx

    Jinx Call me Renzo

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    For several decades, American dirtrackers all looked behind the same way: They would leave their left hand on the bar and tuck their head under their left armpit to check on who was back there.

    Over time, all sorts of theories were produced, most of them having to do with improved aerodynamics from keeping your head down.

    But people kept asking why they did it, and eventually a pattern developed:

    Chris Carr: "I saw Scotty Parker ride that way"...

    ...Scott Parker: "I learned it from Springer"...

    ...then Springer admitted: "Mert Lawill showed me that"...

    ...at which point Mert admitted "I got that from Bart Markel"

    ..eventually Black Bart said he learned it from Carroll Resweber, who said he learned it from another Texas Racer, who...when they finally tracked him down... revealed The Secret:

    "Hell, boy, I was blind in my left eye...that was the only way I could see behind me"
    :brow

    :D
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  15. slowbike smallpenis

    slowbike smallpenis Tester of Tooheys Old

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    Stoner speaks Italian :scratch ..

    Maybe Nick should stay out of the fast lane traffic for a while.
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  16. Kropotkin

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    I would bet good money that this is the truth behind the story. The first time I can remember seeing it is Rossi's infamous pass on Gibernau at Jerez, where it was clearly just an attempt at holding on to his balance in a last ditch dive up the inside. It worked, and Rossi probably felt he found something. And so everyone else started copying him.
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  17. jktpa

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    Bayliss had been doing the dangling left leg for a few years before retirement. Rossi does a lot of Supermoto in the off season. His right leg was doing it during Motegi just not as much.
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  18. yooperbikemike

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    Motegi MotoGP: Brake issue slows Casey Stoner

    By Matthew Birt
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    27 April 2009 08:53

    A front brake vibration ruined any hopes Casey Stoner had of continuing his stunning start to the 2009 MotoGP world championship in Japan.

    The runaway winner of the season’s opening race in Qatar earlier this month, Stoner could only finish fourth at the Twin Ring Motegi as he struggled to overcome the front brake vibration from the start of an enthralling 24-lap race.

    The Aussie dropped back to seventh in the early stages as he struggled to stop his factory Ducati GP9 machine, but once he’d figured out how to ride around the issue, he fought back superbly and claimed fourth place from fading Repsol Honda rider Andrea Dovizioso on the penultimate lap.

    The 2007 world champion said: “We have had the same issues as everybody else, I suppose, in that we haven’t had time to set the bike up but all in all I think we were capable of at least matching the lap times of the front guys – we just lost too much time at the start. On the warm-up lap I felt I a lot of chatter from the front brakes, they weren’t smooth and I wasn’t confident over the first five or six laps. I really didn’t know what to do, I wasn’t able to brake where I wanted to and I wasn’t confident. Maybe I could have gone faster but I don’t know how safe that would have been.

    Anyway, I lost a lot of positions at the beginning of the race and I spent too much time battling to get past. When I got closer to the front it was a bit too late, unfortunately. I tried to stay as consistent as I could and when I got closer to Andrea I rode a bit harder because I saw it was possible to pass him. So the race was not completely lost, we didn’t lose that many points and this is a much better start to the season than last year, so we can definitely feel positive going into the next one.”
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  19. yooperbikemike

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  20. azkiwi

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    That's a good thing. Colin rides much better when he's angry. They ought to wave some kind of red flag in front his face before every race ... :lurk
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