Motohooligan airbox & the 1190

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  1. mfaoro

    mfaoro Been here awhile

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    Have any of you installed a Motohooligan airbox on your 1190?

    After the clusterfuck with my Rottweiler intake, I am excited about trying something that gives me a little more piece of mind and doesn’t require me to acquire and reinstall the stock airbox.

    Wondering if anyone has tried the motohooligan filter on their 1190 and more specifically: can you get it off without removing the tank.

    Thanks:

    Rottweiler cluster: '14 1190 Starting issues

    https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh...14-1190-Starting-issues.1164104/&share_type=t




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  2. Warrior102

    Warrior102 Been here awhile

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    From what I read they use an oiled cotton gauze filter (AKA K&N), if you thought you had issues with Rottweiler you haven't seen anything yet, those are OK for filtering out small birds and leaves. After my Rottweiler debacle I ordered an OEM airbox (complete) as I tossed the original like a dumbass, it was under $210 including the filter and cover screws from Cheaper KTM Parts.
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  3. Captain Cobb

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    What Rottweiler intake issues are you guys referring to?
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  4. mfaoro

    mfaoro Been here awhile

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    Interesting. Yes, it is a K&N.

    What was your Rottweiler debacle? Link?

    I have now heard from people in the industry of many issues with the filter.




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  5. mfaoro

    mfaoro Been here awhile

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    Basically, their design - at least at the beginning - was complete shit and led to dirt in the airbox if you had the gall to take the bike off-road and didn’t take the tank off every night (or every hour) to clean and oil the filter.

    Their design left the snorkels in which blasted the front of the filter with dirty air, sucked the oil out and let dirt into the airbox.

    Instead of telling people that they were changing their design, they kept silent.


    From the thread I linked above:

    “Been a while - thought I would finish the story since the uhmmm 'dust has settled.' Sorry for the wait. It was kinda horrible.

    Denty: No, I had the Rottweiler setup. Yes, dirt ingestion via the airbox.

    This ended up costing me $5600 to fix. Some of that cost was new pistons which was elective. Although they were 'ok' it seemed like the right thing to do seeing that I plan on keeping this bike and we had the engine opened up. If you want an itemized list of all the work I can dig up the receipt.

    I removed the snorkels and added KTM pre filters to the RAM port. I upgraded the starter too (pretty sweet I gotta say).

    I now have a collection of valves, springs, pistons, snorkels etc etc. as souvenirs.

    On the positive side, Rottweiler sent me a new filter in exchange for my old filter.

    On the negative side, 2.5 months later and they still haven't taken a look at the old filter as I requested - many many times. I wanted to know if they thought it was oiled enough. Although I have no illusions about getting any of my money back from anyone, I still wanted to know what the root cause was. Without that, I am faced with the uneasy prospect of this happening again. It would have been a 20 second task for them. I wasn't asking much.

    Also on the negative side, because of this thread Rottweiler threatened to 'blacklist' me complaining that I didn't give them a chance to respond before airing my grievances. While I didn't really care if they blacklisted me I didn't think it was in anyones best interest. I stopped responding to the thread and tried to work with them. I appreciated the new filter but I did pay for it with my old filter. I expected them to take a look at the old one when it got back to them and when they didn't I lost my motivation to be charitable anymore.

    In the end, because Rottweiller didn't take a look at my filter, I am still left with distinct impression that all of this trouble could have been avoided if Rottweiler would have just let their early customers know that they were changing their design/instructions. They were correct in stating that they had no way of knowing for sure that their design failed. They said that many customers still run the exact setup I had with no problems but we also know that many many people who buy these bikes never take them offroad.

    So, what have I learned? Thats a hard one. I already knew that the motorcycle business was bullshit and the customer usually took it in the wallet to fix problems that should have never been present in products.

    I guess I learned to look at airflow into a bike's airbox with a more critical eye.

    I learned that some businesses really try to control their social media presence and that some go overboard.

    I learned that valves make great little paperweights.

    So, why did I tell you this story since it will, for sure, get me blacklisted by Rottweiler? Catharsis I guess. Education for someone who needs this information. Partly, cuz I am still just pissed off because I bought a product, it let me down, it cost me a lot of money and someone had the gall to blame me for the whole thing.”


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  6. Captain Cobb

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    Oh wow! Yeah sorry, I didn’t see the link at first. Just finished reading the majority of it. Very informative. I just installed a new Rottweiler setup last week, hopefully this issue is properly sorted out.
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  7. Jaimoto

    Jaimoto Spaniard in Chile

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    I'm aware it would be over $500 but an stock airbox plus Powercell pods will give you the peace of mind you need. Maybe an airbox from eBay?

    Curious why the PC pods, being foam (like Rottweiler) and being hit by a dust blast from the snorkels (same as Rotti) didnt developed this issues? I'm running mine with KTM socks at the snorkels but lots of inmates leave that wind path open...
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  8. mfaoro

    mfaoro Been here awhile

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    True. That is an option to be considered.

    I think the PC pods avoid this issue by using the stock airbox. I believe it deflects the air ensuring that it slows down before it gets to the pods. Could be wrong though - it’s been three years since I stripped it out.




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  9. TheBritAbroad

    TheBritAbroad Just ride it!

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    Rottweiller threatened to 'blacklist' you? Blacklist you from what...Rottweiller?
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  10. mfaoro

    mfaoro Been here awhile

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    I know! How ludicrous is that!?


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    They were going to blacklist you from their mailing list just in case you were tempted with anymore of their products :rofl
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  12. Broken&Lost

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    I had the Motohooligan on my 990 Supermoto and never had any issues with it but obviously used on road. The machining and finish are really good but I used a thicker x-ring as the supplied o-ring didn't give the tightest of fits.
    I use the Rottweiler now and not had any issues with it.
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  13. Bluesilver

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    Been running the rottie system since they first came out for the 1190....first service I noticed the concentration of dirt on the front area...common sense told me that the RAM tubes directed all onto this area so....I do not need RAM as it is now useless without a sealed airbox so, fitted a deflecting kit....not long after Rottie also launched their deflecting plate or ypu remove your RAM tubes... 3yrs later zero issues, spotless airbox.....

    Now I have the 1290SAS standing next to my old 1190 and wondering, do I fit the rottie to it....system has given me great service and still on the original filter......

    So now I am waiting for the 1000km break in, then check the 1290 airbox, ANY doubt and in goes the rottie.

    In short...Uniflter...DNA and stock did not do their job on my 2013 airbox...Rottie works.

    That is my experience but then again, been riding KTM dirt bikes for years so used to the servicing.
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  14. mfaoro

    mfaoro Been here awhile

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    I am sure it works for many. My issue is that they didn’t inform customers of their design changes. I would have updated my setup instantly if they had just let me know.

    because I have service done at a dealer, I didn’t know about any concentration of dirt - and even if I did might have expected the filter to work as advertised.




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  15. manxkipper

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    They didn’t tell me either. I found out by checking for something else when I took the tank off. Thankfully my filter was overoiled whenI first installed it so the filter medium wasn’t too eroded. Made my own deflector plate. They should have advised clients that purchased the unit about the erosion. WhenI enquired about the deflection plate the cost to get it here was prohibitive.
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  16. 1coolbanana

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    To the OP...
    As frustrating as it may seem and for peace of mind, the stock airbox with the Unifilter complete setup (including the snorkel scks) or as Im using, the PC pods AND the Unifilter prefilter snorkel socks is the way to go.

    100% confidence.

    I just pulled everything apart for a look at 20k and do a service.

    Ive changed the pre filters whenever needed and the last couple rides were especially dusty but I get 2-3 k out of them, then fit a new set, wash and oil the old ones ready for the next round.


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    But the airbox and PC pods are spotless after 9k unopened.
    Those prefilters are the best thing, filtering probably 99%, not to mention the ease of maintenance with not having to open the airbox up all the time!

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    Very happy with the pods and Uni Prefilters and prefer it to the complete Uni, great setup :-)

    Ok, so maybe I lose a few horsepower but it better than losing the top end of your engine!

    Just my opinion but its proving to be very very good.
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