Motoport Air Mesh Kevlar Not Impressed

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by mdloops, Mar 17, 2007.

  1. djg

    djg Been here awhile

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    I remember that thread. The funniest thing, I thought, was when ill brought his cyberbuddy, Paul Varnsvery, into the discussion and it turned out Paul and Wayne had met in europe years ago, and got along just fine.

    I also remember that Wayne said he was flatout not interested in CE certification.

    And yes, I remember many very mean things were said.
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  2. soloyosh

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    You can see Wayne's post quoted in other areas of the thread but no actual posts by him. I'm thinking the mods deleted them.
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  3. kewlbyme

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    Mdloops what gear were you wearing when you got that rash? What was the situation?
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    Lowside at between 30-35MPH.

    Bike was insured for more than I paid, so I bought a new bike.
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    1) I do not even need to infer from the text that the armor did not stay in place because he said "has me thinking that the knee armor didn't cover my knee and I slammed the knee down on the pavement." Also he said he wants motoport to improve the positioning of the armor so it would do its job better, that is all I was commenting on.

    2) I have seen the results when zippers and seams fail from personal experience.

    3) I know what road rash feels like. I know what poor gear feels like in a crash, and I have a pretty good idea of how well something will protect me in a crash. My 2003 Honda VFR was totalled as a result of this crash.

    Any more skepticism about my experience?

    I will repeat, I think I have been pretty fair here. I realize I am the odd guy out because motoport is highly regarded on here, but be careful what bluffs you try calling. I am not quesitoning anybody elses qualifications or motives here, please don't question mine.

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    Sorry, I haven't checked the thread. On Thursday I crashed at about 50mph, sliding on my left side with my left leg under a VStrom 1k. On Saturday I rode a bicycle for 60 miles in the mountains and on Sunday I rode my TE450 all day in the desert. I have a LOT of road rash experience of the 20-35mph lycra kind. I'm the guy in front of you at Starbucks who your kid points at says "Daddy, why does that man's legs look like mommy's but with all of those scars on them :D." I am intimately familiar with what could have been and I'm sure I'd be typing this between bandage changes, painful scrubbings, etc. I think the gear did it's job.

    Having looked at the gear and my one injury, I think what happened was:

    Bike was leaned a bit to the left when I grabbed too much front brake. I went down hard on left knee, elbow and shoulder. My ankle then twisted in under the bike and the bike and I become one, with my left knee pinned under the bike but it was held up a bit (full weight not on the knee) by the bars, topcase, who knows. I think the bruise/abrasion on the knee cap was caused by that initial slam to the pavement. I have some bruising on the inside of my knee but no pain. Seriously, it's nothing. We all had worse as kids playing football on the pavement.

    I didn't take pictures of the jacket but probably should have. Oh well. It was pretty torn up but I don't have a single scratch, bruise, nothing. I was a little sore the next day but nothing unexpected. I've sent the kit back to motoport for repair (insurance pays the tab). I've asked them to:
    1. Move the knee pads up 1.5-2 inches. If I were going to dualsport in these pants I'd take the knee pads out and use hard knee guards or braces instead.
    2. Reposition the hip pads, giving up the zipper access to undergarments.
    3. See if they can make the leg bottoms wider to accomodate motocross boots. I wear Sidi Crossfires in the dirt. I haven't taken these pants dualsporting but no way I'm going offroad in anything other then my Sidi's
    For me, the major selling point of the gear is it is so damn comfortable. There is simply no reason to not wear the gear at almost any temperature.



    Well, That about sums it up.
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  4. kewlbyme

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    My FRJ may not be as aggressive a seating position as your R6, but for sure itÂ’s a non issue for me.
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    Lol, that is surely an understatement :)
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    Any more skepticism about my experience?

    I will repeat, I think I have been pretty fair here. I realize I am the odd guy out because motoport is highly regarded on here, but be careful what bluffs you try calling. I am not quesitoning anybody elses qualifications or motives here, please don't question mine.


    Hmmm..........
    mdloops seems to be Glad to cast stones, but as usual with stone casters, he doesn't seem to be glad about being cast upon.

    And, no, I wouldn't have any opinion about your experience, other than you appear to not learn from it. It seems from your posts that you value how your rear "looks", more than avoiding road rash.

    You are right, Motoport ain't for just anyone. I think you need another pair of JOE ROCKET pants. I mean, they made your BUTT look good, right?
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  5. zed88

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    Eh since people are wondering if it works or not I will post a few examples of it working. Please do post if you find somebody who has had it fail and what the circumstances were.

    Motoport is about function (like alot of our bikes) not style. If comfort and style are your primary considerations look elsewhere as this is a nitch product.
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  6. kewlbyme

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    Was this before or after the infamous License2ill thread where you were cheerleading license2ill as he crossed waaayyyy over the line? If you have written off motoport as a potential vendor, and you have never owned anything from motoport, what exactly do you have to add to this conversation other than casting aspersions. Well, nothing I guess, since that's what you did, again, in this thread.

    I said it in that thread to his "face" and I will say it now, IMHO, License2Bill is a prick.

    Bottom line? If you want CE armor, don't buy from motoport. If you value how your BUTT LOOKS more than trying to keep safer, don't buy mesh kevlar gear from motoport. If you buy from motoport, buy the gear for the correct application. If you buy it and don't like it, have a brain and follow the rules and you can get your money back, unless you asked them to hack up some material so that it would make your ass look good. If you don't have a pair of pants you can spare to send for really good fitting, buy some joe rocket, like mdloops. All of this is well documented all over the internet, if one would try google

    I own the mesh kevlar with liners and I happen to like it. I hope it minimizes damage to my self, if I fall. It ain't particularly pretty, although it is kinda cool looking in a frumpy sort of way. There are some things I don't like about it and will try to order differently if I ever have occasion to order another set of gear. It still offers better protection than any other thing I have ever worn or tried on. I can live with it's minor issues. I don't care how my BUTT LOOKS, as long as it doesn't have road rash on it.

    I am not trying to convince anyone to drink my koolaid. I don't care what others wear or ride. Whatever you wear or ride, please be safe.

    However, whether it's motoport, Home Depot, McDonalds or whatever, if you are going to criticize a product in public, with which a LOT of people are satisfied, just because it doesn't happen to work for you, you can expect to be held to a pretty high standard of explanation. Just saying that "now I am not attacking " a company doesnt raise you above the fray you created while stating that the product needs to be engineered differently, to fit your needs, in the face of plenty of folks that are satisfied. I can't read
    mdloops' mind, but it looked like the post was to try to pressure wayne. That would be the vinegar part of the old adage, "you can catch more flys with honey than vinegar".

    As you can see, I ain't fly fishin with honey in this post.

    And if you don't like KLR's, you can screw off for that too. I suggest you buy something else instead of criticizing my ride. :deal

    Whew, I've been wanting to say that for a long time. :lol3
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  7. soloyosh

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    If you filtered out the noise, L2I, made some good points. Points that were never really directly answered by Wayne. I agree he crossed the line but Wayne wasn't exactly a Saint in the whole exchange.

    Since the topic of Waynes customer service came up, I thought I'd share my experience with him. I figured I'd ask him the questions that concerned me directly in an email rather than fueling the fire on the forum. Rather than simply reply with answers, he chose to post in the forum and basically call me an idiot for wanting CE gear. Then he proceeded to slam the Halvarsson's gear, which later he admitted to only having seen pictures of. When called out on his criticism, he clammed up.

    When you call your gear "the best gear in the world" you'd better be willing to be held to a very high standard to prove it.


    I agree with you 100% on this. I would say that if you are going to criticize a competitor's product you should be held to an even higher standard.

    If I can still get my questions answered by Wayne, I may still purchase his product. If it works, it works. As it stands I've had a much better experience with Halvarsson's thus far and they aren't even native english speakers.

    Cheers
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  8. kewlbyme

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    Well said. Good come back to my poking. :turkish

    As far as waynes claims, I dont know or care how his armour compairs with ce. The bottom line is that apparently, his stuff works. As in the comparison I listed above in a previous post, the reports in Zed88's post, and all over the place. I am sure that there is another brand that works too. That doesn't diminish the apparent effectivness of motoport.

    I hear you on backing up baseless claims. Maybe wayne is a little too defensive, enthusiastic and emotional. But, with so many folks giving "save your hide" type testimonials, you would think that you could find some real exceptions. At least one exception where a seam turned loose or something to disprove waynes claims. Maybe there are exceptions, I've just never seen one, yet. I just keep reading stuff about how good wayne's stuff worked in get offs. And, if someone attacked me like L2ill attacked wayne, I would have been a little gunched up too.

    I mean, please, find something besides "it bunches up behind my knees", and "it makes my BUTT look bad", before you start toasting wayne for his "claims".

    I wish you and everyone luck in your search. I look forward to a REAL report by an American, on the Halvarsson. I havn't seen one yet.
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  9. soloyosh

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    That's close enough. Good thread. The Jacket looks good. Is it better than motoport? Is Motoport better than Halvarsson? I don't know and don't care. The point is that they are both better than most and at the top end of the scale of gear. I am sure I would be happy with Halvarsson. I just happen to own Motoport Mesh, because I had never heard of Halvarsson and I couldn't find anything I thought was better at the time.

    To everyone that buys Motoport.....good on you. I can personally attest to it.

    To everyone who buys Halvarsson.........good on you, I am sure it is fine.

    This repeated pissin and moaning about every last detail of spec, and ce, and all that just drives me nutts.

    I own a KLR and it is great. I'd love to have dr and a strom and a gs and a ktm.........I love'em all. I just happen to own a KLR and will object when someone who has never owned one, tells me how bad they are.

    Same thing to me.

    Good luck to all and ride safe.
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    This may be true, and I did see some posts of his that 'crossed the line' on this forum and elsewhere. The problem is that L2Ill is to the best of anyone's knowledge just a guy somewhere with too much spare time on his hands, while Wayne is the proprietor of a business. As such, he had a lot more to lose in engaging L2Ill in all the vitriolic posting that occurred and should never have stooped to that level.
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    Just to be absolutely clear on what the fuss was regarding CE certification, I believe it was meant to provide a common basis for evaluation amongst the different safety gears available. While I agree with your basic point that it's extremely likely that both Halvarssons' and Motoport's products deliver an extremely high degree of safety and should both be seen as viable alternatives, I find it immesaurably useful to note that Halvarsson's gear ranked as high as it did on Bike Magazine's test a few years back (the results of which are still available online). This gives a very clear picture of the strengths of their gear, while we must rely on the crash reports of completely random individuals to assess Motoport's gear.

    In most businesses, the ability to accurately assess risks is a key component. Given the cost of owning any of this gear, I feel like a standard test that enables the consumer to compare different gear on an fair and even basis would provide us all with better risk assessment.

    As a final point, it should be noted that a proper full leather outfit will in all likelihood provide even more safety to a rider than any of the gear under discussion right now and so to take a high-and-mighty tone regarding safety because one owns Motoport or Halvarssons or Whatever Textile Gear is not without hypocrisy.
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    I guess we have differring memories of that thread. I don't recall Wayne stooping at all. My memory is that he was pretty patient.

    I find it quite interesting that all the people givin Wayne grief remain anonymous. Many people here know who I am. Why do you suppose they are so afraid to reveal their real identity?:deal

    all the best,

    Mike
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    I had a well-fiited, custom made, heavy leather jacket on during one of my bounce tests. Based on that experience, they (might or) might not be better than a true premium textile, such as the Kevlar Motorport, IMHO......

    all the best,

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  15. soloyosh

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    Fair enough...

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  16. kewlbyme

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    Let me guess, you are an engineer of some sort too?

    As such, if it can't be measured, it doesn't exist?
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  17. kewlbyme

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    Oh yeah? Lets see you wear that on a 98 degree, 90% humidity day, anywhere.

    Puh-lease. Get over yourself.
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  18. zed88

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    Nobody will ever offer a great back to back review of stuff because then the vast majority of people would know how their gear holds up and gravitate to a few manufactures. Plus everything fulfills a different purpose. If I'm racing I want a top grade leather suit for sliding. If I'm riding trails I want a pressure suit. If I'm in 100 degree weather with high humidity I want a Kevlar mesh.

    You think its a coincidence that in 30 years there has never been a major review where they destroyed a couple hundred thousand dollars worth of gear? :deal
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  19. PullMyFinger

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    Hi all,

    Why not start out a first post on a subject that, along with what type of oil to use, make up the religion and politics of motorcycle forums?

    I got a Ultra II Kevlar mesh jacket and pants about a year ago. I'm bigger than most (5'11", 255 lbs) and was 20 lbs heavier when I ordered the suit. I've gotten a few jokes (Michelin man was one, though I prefer Sta-Puf) about the bulkiness of the suit.

    I have a used Motoport Cordura suit that I bought before that, but after March in Florida, mesh is a necessity.

    I'm glad I got the suit. That said, I'm a middle aged guy who doesn't really care much what people think about the clothes I wear. I do care that I'm as protected as I can be while riding.

    That got me thinking about priorities that different groups of people have...

    It seems to me that people choose a "style" of bike and riding and that, in turn, chooses the clothing for them. See if you don't agree (in broad strokes):

    Harley (or, more broadly, cruiser) guys - no helmets or protective gear, other than perhaps a few designer leather pieces and perhaps a half helmet (Kaiser style)...

    Sport bike guys - two types, both about college aged or a little older: Type 1) full face helmets with Icon or JR leather gear... Type 2) shorts, t-shirts and flip-flops (aka idiots)...

    Dual sport guys - Flip up full face helmet, either Aerostitch or Motoport full suit (and fiercely loyal to whichever brand it is, like the old Ford-Chevy deal), good, protective boots, etc....

    Well, I could go on, but we all see this from whatever perspective we come from.

    From my perspective, mdloops is a sportbike guy that bought dualsport overpants and came here to tell people that the dualsport clothes weren't suited to his type of riding...(imagine that?)

    Before I go, one thing does bug me about Cycleport: their web site still sucks! When I went there to look at a couple of pants that others mentioned on this thread, I had forgotten how many pictures are messed up (either not available, or a different picture than what you thought you'd get, etc.). Since that is their only storefront to the world, I'd think they'd want it looking better...

    Oh, well, that's what I get for thinking...

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  20. soloyosh

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    I respectfully disagree with much of what you said, however I don't want to shift this off topic.

    According to the Motoport website, the pants are simply overpants, not "Dual sport" overpants. Wayne really pushes the abrasion qualities of he garments, and how they don't bunch up and cause you to tumble when sliding acrossed asphault. To me that sounds like it is street gear that can be used in other situations.

    YMMV

    Cheers
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