Motoport Kevlar first impressions (long, many pics...)

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by Gringo, May 18, 2005.

  1. x_hog_ridr

    x_hog_ridr Been here awhile

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    I asked Wayne to make a pair of the internal rain pants with no opening in that area and keep the crotch all one piece.
    He told me that I must be doing it wrong if it leaks, because I'm the only one out of millions sold. I said that velcro and a zipper do not stop water from coming through. I now use my Harley one piece crotch pants if I need internal rain pants. If Wayne could make these one piece, they would be the best.
  2. Dolly Sod

    Dolly Sod Red Clay Halo

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    You're not the only one with a wet crotch in Motoport gear. It's not as bad as my Aerostitch but it happens.
  3. astrolump

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    I wear clip on suspenders with my MP ultra II pants...i thought the same thing about clipping the clips to the stretch panel.....so i clip them to the supplied belt. works great..no damage to the pants...if you clip the clips just off to the side by the first belt loops the belt wont slide through the loops when the pants are un done.
  4. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    You must be doing something wrong:huh
  5. The Breeze

    The Breeze Been here awhile

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    Me thinks Wayne is having a case of "Selective Memory Loss"..............

    I had the same issue with mine (about a year and a half ago), and after sending the liners back and forth...then showing him pictures of soaking wet shorts.....he agreed to send me a new pair of liners. Not only did he send me new liners (at his expense)...but I had them made without a zipper in the crotch. Guess what....no leaky:1drink
  6. thorinoakenshield

    thorinoakenshield ya mo be there

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    The liners I was using didnt have zippers in the crotch (like a normal pant), it had zippers on the sides. The water probably seeped in from under the elastic belt of the rain liner. Sucked.
    I will try Boon Booni's advice next time.
  7. Dolly Sod

    Dolly Sod Red Clay Halo

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    It's really all about if a bowl forms over the zipper when you sit on your bike. If you've got a bowl you've got a leak. If I pull the pants way up no bowl forms and not leaky.

    I can't pull my stitch up like I can the liners so the stitch always forms a bowl and always leaks.
  8. makinwaves

    makinwaves Long timer

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    Same here. I guess I must be one in a million too! :lol3

    To his credit Wayne replaced them with a new liner FREE OF CHARGE! The new one has worked pretty well but I'm starting to sense they may fail soon as well (noticing some moisture transfer). For the most part I suspect Wayne has only a small number of customers who commute year round and who live in the Pacific NorthWET. My gear sees a lot of rain and eventually, even with treatment, it's going to wear out.

    I'd like to buy a new pair when these wear out...but Wayne has banned me from the store. :lol3 :cry But that's a whole other story....:freaky

    ((Edit - caught up on the other posts and see there are other one in a millions out there too. I don't think it's a bowl issue for me, simply longer term exposures to heavy rains for sustained periods.))
  9. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    My smiley should've been a :lol3:lol3 not a :huh
  10. DEdge

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    After riding for a hundred kilometers in the rain between 19 and 35 degrees C yesterday and today, can assure you that the groin area did not get wet with the police air mesh kevlar britches without liner.. Have yet to test them in a monsoon but for a regular tropical downpour am a happy camper. Updated 10-18-2012 second wet ride was monsoon downpour and did get wet. The good news is in the tropics riding out of the storm, they dried remarkably quickly.

    An outstanding pant. After riding with the BMW airflow 3 for a year or so and 8,000 km including in the Mojave with them, when I saw the Motoport gear was impressed and now have enjoyed the pants for a few weeks.

    Motoport's overall perceived protection and especially the seams and zippers are head and shoulders better than anything have ever worn, including a Held suit, the BMW airflow 2, 3 and venting machine suits. IMHO up to now the BMW airflow 3 has been the highest perceived protection in suit armor and appears at first glance to be better than Motoport's tri-armor. Motoport's quad armor appears to be much better than BMW. But luckily have not crash tested either. I found the closest perceived protection to the Quad armor to be the Forcefield gear.

    Without a doubt the pants I will be wearing most on and off-road will be the Motoport in the Caribbean and elsewhere.

    On sizing sent them the marked jeans and first round was a great fit.
    Cannot think of anything else they could do to make them better.:clap

    As a result ordered the ultra air mesh 2 jacket. Will post an update after receiving and ride testing.
  11. TheWorstKind

    TheWorstKind In the Wind

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    My latest motoport gear is three years old, including the liners. Earlier this year, in the spring, the pants liner sprung a leak on the upper inside of the left thigh. Fixed by motoport. Just a month ago, both inner elbows and upper forearms got wet. Motoport fixed the jacket liner, too. So far, Wayne seems to be standing by his lifetime warranty for the liners. I am guessing, though, that the jacket liner will start to leak soon - I had a bit of dampness around the inside elbows just last week. Tomorrow morning will be another test for the gear - rain all morning long.....
  12. mbabc

    mbabc Curmudgeon trainee

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    Can the seams be sealed on these liners? Mine are about 5 years old now and I have gotten some damp spots.
  13. Monty_Burns

    Monty_Burns Excellent.

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    I did a quick search on the broken snap situation, because I've had a lot show-up just recently. I rarely insert and remove my liners, but starting with one of the first time I removed my liner earlier this year, I had a the male end of a snap come apart.

    Just tonight, I was putting my liners back in and found 3 snaps had failed. They are all failing in the same manor. The flared tube part of the rivet cracks where it intersects the base. It makes me think they got a bad batch of snaps in or something. My suit was made in Mid-2011 and I'm wondering if anyone else was having excessive snap failure (some failed snaps are normal as mentioned above).

    Wayne has previously sent me some snaps to replace the one I had earlier in the year, but at this rate I'm going to run out. I needed the snap tool and happened to purchase it and a load of snaps from the hardware store for $2.99. A total PITA and I'm a little pissed that my cost-as-much-as-my-last-bike suit needs these kinds of at-home repairs, but it is manageable.
  14. harley1550

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    Quote:" I'm a little pissed that my cost-as-much-as-my-last-bike suit needs these kinds of at-home repairs"Unquote LOL What was your last bike? :) Cycleport gear isn't inexpensive, for sure, but it is far from the most expensive gear and MUCH less than any bike other than an old, unwanted one. The over the top hyperbola doesn't help your case with readers or illicit sympathy. My liners are 7 years old, used frequently, and are in as good of shape as they were when new. I don't baby them but I don't treat them harshly either, though I'm sure they could take relatively tough treatment. I'm not saying that you are rough on them but I have to admit the question arose. :)

    You titled your post, "Lots and lots of broken snaps on the liners?" Where did the LOTS and LOTS come from? LOL
  15. Dolly Sod

    Dolly Sod Red Clay Halo

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    I had one of the storm flap snaps come apart. I used a pop rivet to fix it and it's never going to come apart again.
  16. totomoto

    totomoto Been here awhile

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    I got interested in the Kevlar jacket but judging from the pictures on the Motoport website and some posts in this thread, the jackets all look way too big on people, in my opinion. The sleeves look very wide and I would expect all the loose and stiff fabric to bunch up quite a bit when sitting in the bike. I think jackets should be much tighter to hold the armor in place during a get-off. If this gear is custom-made, the patterns just allow for too much room after the measurements have been taken. Opinions? Experience from Motoport owners?
  17. ultrarnr

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    totomoto,

    I have both a stretch kevlar and mesh suit. Neither have much room underneath them. As far as the armor moving around in a crash I really don't see it happening with either of my suits. Right now I am wearing the stretch kevlar and in the winter months you have to be careful about glove selection. There is simply no room underneath the sleeves for a long glove especially considering I usually have a thin insulated layer on underneath them. Depending on what you want to wear under the suit I would recommend boosting your measurements by an inch or so.

    Now having said all of that I do agree with your opinion about many of the photos and how the suits look in many of them. Both of my suits are definitly a snug fit though.
  18. DEdge

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    I have the
    a) police stretch kevlar pants with quad armor and the fit is snug and stylish.
    b) Air mesh kevlar jacket with the optional additional quad armor and the fit is snug - the sleeve cuffs do not have room to wear gloves under them without opening the velcro. I do not feel that the sleeve width is a concern.
    On the style, the shoulder seam is a couple of inches beyond my actual shoulder, suspect that is to include the quad armor. Am fairly certain that the sleeves, chest and shoulder armor will not shift in a slide. If the connecting zipper to the pants is not installed or zipped up, it may ride up.

    Have not seen a more durably manufactured garment.

    Fit/ Protection vs style ... it's up to you.
    Maybe if you ask them about the shoulder seam, they can make a change in your jacket to improve the style?
    Ride safe

    David


  19. StuartV

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    I would NOT recommend arbitrarily adjusting your measurements to achieve a certain fit. You can get a very snug fit without doing that. Instead, I would suggest to simply be VERY explicit in your order about how you want the suit to fit. Do it in writing, in an email to Wayne and/or include it in writing in the order, if you are mailing or faxing it. And be prepared to send it back for alterations once or maybe even twice.

    When I ordered my suit, I was very explicit about wanting it to fit like race leathers. I only wanted room underneath to wear the Aerotex liner, Under Armor, and long johns. And that I wanted the wrist cuffs to be snug, like leathers. I had to return my suit once or twice to get it right, but there was no charge. It just cost me the return shipping. I have been ordering custom suits for almost 20 years and I have learned that you just have to expect and be prepared for that - if you're going to order custom-tailored suits by mail order.

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  20. levain

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    I'm not sure there is a right answer here. It seems to me like the Ultra II and Marathon jackets are generally too big for most folks, but the waist cut are about right. I'm thinking that is by design. Motoport assumes that folks want to layer in those more touring oriented jackets, so they build in a little extra space.

    Over the years, I've had a bunch of Motoport jackets looking for the right one. The best fitting one I've ever had is my current Marathon. It was custom built for someone 5" shorter and 35# lighter. It fits like a glove, but that's how I like it. It's marked S. The Ultra II I had a few years ago was marked L. Wayne himself measured me in his shop for that one. It felt good on, but there was LOTS of room for layering and yeah the elbow armor floated around a bit. My current Marathon, that fits perfect, doesn't have much space, but overall the fit is better.

    Stuarts advice seems sound. Be very specific about what you are looking for, and they'll get it right. Just don't expect it right off the bat. Fit is such a subjective thing. It must make Wayne LOCO dealing with everyone's interpretation of proper fit. Add the word "custom" into the mix and that interpretation becomes even more difficult.