Thanks for all the help cy. Will not ask about batterys left in freezer. My Grand mother still does it On another note cy , I notice you have to re hash what you have said many times over and over again... thats a lot of typing for you. How about writing down what page you said what on, then when someone asks the same question again you can guide them to it. Less typing and less chance of burn out. I'd hate to loose you on this thread.