Motorcycle exhausts

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by ADVill, Jun 25, 2014.

  1. ADVill

    ADVill Been here awhile

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    No, I'm not giving you manufacturers that much for a tin can with some fiber glass in it. Period! Most crap for the 990 is just waaaaay over priced. $200 for a piece of metal to move a kick stand?
    I feel better now. Carry on.
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  2. FakeName

    FakeName Wile E Coyote SuperGenius

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    Cool.

    Make it all yourself, and post pics of the results. :deal


    There's no doubt I'm biased towards those that use their time and expertise to develop products. It's a pain in the ass, beset on all sides by those who would make it even more difficult.

    Then, even when the better mousetrap is built, one needs to become an internet marketer to try to sell the product.

    Then, if those hurdles are cleared, someone else steps up to knock off the product and sell it for less, without so much as a reach-around to appreciate your hard work.

    So you go ahead, make your own stuff. Don't copy the work of others in the process, you design and build something new, different and better.

    Go ahead.


    I feel better now. Carry on.
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  3. armourbl

    armourbl Adventure Life

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    Well you are both right really. But I'm siding more with ADVill. The mark up on some of this stuff is just outright ridiculous. But, we as the consumers feed the beast by voting with our wallets and accepting the lashings.

    I get that there is a balance that comes from the cost of manufacturing, supply vs. demand, etc. But I've also seen/known small operations to make good products for a reasonable price and turn plenty of profit.

    One could easily argue that if you want to go into business and make a product available, it is your responsibility to find an efficient manner to do so and provide a good value to your customers. You can choose to cater to a smaller percentage of high end consumers to make equal profit with less volume or have more volume and larger customer base. Then there is market value = what the market is willing to pay.

    I don't know about you guys, but I hate that I was able to buy a new 450 off the showroom floor in 2009 for $4550 OTD and now the same bike sells for closer to $10,000. The price of everything is going up, but many are taking pay cuts to keep their jobs. It is an ugly economy right now.

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  4. FakeName

    FakeName Wile E Coyote SuperGenius

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    I have to gently and respectfully disagree with this statement. People have no such responsibility whatsoever.

    If the product's price exceeds its value, it won't sell. Notable exceptions include items in the catagory of fashion and jewlery- most egregious perhaps are diamonds, which have little actual utilitarian value.

    Percieved value, yes. And that's how I make money ; )
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  5. NoSpam

    NoSpam Been here awhile

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    If you makes you feel any better, I'm bringing my bike in to the dealer for an oil change (to protect the warranty, otherwise I would do it myself) and it's going to cost me $300.

    And typing this has not made me feel better but carry on.
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  6. strider.deano

    strider.deano Been here awhile

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    Don't let them do it to you....remember KTM say's it should take 71 min for a trained KTM mech to perform the first service. If retail on the oil and filter is $80 then your going to be paying $185 per hour for a guy to walk down a check list.

    http://www.ktm.com/uploads/tx_downloadsplugin/Servicezeiten_2013_10_EN.pdf
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  7. OhBoy

    OhBoy Got Out

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    $800 installed

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    Priceless

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  8. Mr Head

    Mr Head Adventure Hippie

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    Ah, yes the KLR problem. :lol3
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  9. VxZeroKnots

    VxZeroKnots Long timer

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    If one is making stuff for their own personal use and not for resale copy away I say. :deal

    I get that a small market makes wider margins necessary to stay in business, but most of this stuff doesn't require much of a, if any, competitive advantage to produce. If a bent piece of bar stock with some holes drilled in it is costing more than a 30 rack of PBR and a tank of gas in R&D something is wrong
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  10. FakeName

    FakeName Wile E Coyote SuperGenius

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    Understood, and agreed. But.

    I believe inventors deserve a return on their idea, and only they can decide its value. Obviously, they can decide its value is eleventy-billion dollars and nobody is going to buy it.

    Further, it it's so simple, why not just make it instead of going online and complaining about it?

    Well, because most people don't want to go to the hassle of making it themselves. The above top box is a great example. No way I'd pay $800 for that item. But just because I'm unwilling to do so does not make that item "overpriced" or a "ripoff". That kind of molded item and all the hardware, assembly and liability insurance adds up quickly, and I doubt the margin on that product is huge- maybe lower than 100%, which is minimal for something like that.


    I've seen enough behind the scenes of product development and marketing that few, if any, are getting rich on this stuff.
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  11. NoSpam

    NoSpam Been here awhile

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    Kinda depends...
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  12. HeatXfer

    HeatXfer Bad knees

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    lol - all of the above missing the point, it's the Walmart mentality: "Why should I pay more than I want to pay regardless of what it cost or it's true value?"

    Yeah, the things we want to buy are expensive. When weren't they? I've learned to either live with the expense, do without or, as FakeName suggested, I make my own.


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  13. JoeMongo

    JoeMongo ¿Por dónde?

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    Yes, exactly. I don't fly Emirates either. Some things are worth the asking price even if it is very expensive. Sometimes its better to keep shopping or make my own. The free market has always been this way and I don't believe in socialism price regulation.
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  14. DesertSurfer

    DesertSurfer Tail sprayin

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    I relish the opportunity to support the KTM adventure parts makers who possess courage, character and integrity. They are the ones who raise the limits of my riding experience and are worth every dollar to me... Some people like to tip... Others don't. But that's just me and wanting to show some support.
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  15. VxZeroKnots

    VxZeroKnots Long timer

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    :thumb gotcha! As for me I have enough fab tools and experience to make a total fucking mess out of something fairly simple and im not afraid to do it :freaky
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  16. HeatXfer

    HeatXfer Bad knees

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    :thumb

    Agreed
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  17. NoSpam

    NoSpam Been here awhile

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  18. sweetlou

    sweetlou small body, big balls

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    When I bought my 990 I was shopping top case options. Luckily Obama called and told me the free market is dead and I am only allowed the factory KTM option.

    Luckily it was the cheapest of all aftermarket options :)
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  19. armourbl

    armourbl Adventure Life

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    Come on guys. Just because some of us feel that a lot of aftermarket is overpriced doesn't make us cheap or unappreciative of the people who bring these items to market.

    There are good examples out there. I think one of them might be the Wings exhaust as compared to the Akraprovic brand. This is a little guy vs. the big company example and yet he appears to offer equal quality at a much reduced price. I think Rade from Rade Garage may also be a good example. His carbon fiber parts are a bargain compared to other offerings and he still makes other innovative offers for a reasonable price.

    To not recognize or admit when something is excessively over priced, and being willing to simply accept it or even promote it as the new normal is turning a blind eye to things.

    I've been around motorcycles for 20 plus years and honestly I've never seen a group that compares to the Adventure crowd. Specifically in the context of how much they are willing to accept the inherent and ignored design flaws in their favorite choice of manufacturer/model motorcycle, combined with their willingness to spend as much as an additional 25% or more above and beyond the initial purchase price to correct said flaws at artificially inflated rates. And when someone questions the status quot they are chastised for it.

    That being said, sometimes we accept the cost of ownership. I'm guilty of this as I own a 990 and I do buy certain aftermarket bits to make the bike more to my liking or to remedy some issue I can't stand to live with. There is a fine line of balance in there somewhere.

    I think those who are honest with themselves, despite how much they love their 990 for example, realize there are so many issue that KTM should have resolved over the years that were left unchanged and passed onto the owner to deal with. Now I'm off on a tangent of sorts.

    I would love to support as many of the innovative people who make some really cool stuff as I can. But, like ADVill was alluding to in his short rant, sometimes the $$ is a hard pill to swallow. Everyone values things from their own perspective I suppose.

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  20. HeatXfer

    HeatXfer Bad knees

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    I'm at a loss here: Interesting response from a guy who buys high-dollar machines and is against cheap, quick-fixes.

    My guess is that you thought my Walmart comment was directed at you. That's not the case; it's the overall tone of the thread I was commenting on.

    Hey, we're both Bay Area locals and it's expensive to live around here so I'm all for saving a buck, but I'm done with cheap alternatives.....well that's not true: you should see how I painted my 990 last weekend. (Plasti-Dip so it's temporary)

    Come to think of it, I am a cheap bastard, but I seem to put a lot of $ between 2 wheels :hmmmmm
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