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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by HelmetHead Cycle, Jan 7, 2013.
HEY! That's "Modern Sporting Rifle" to you, bub!
Hahah... agree. This article does not take into account the massive used bike market. I am 49 and see a ton of young punks riding.
And unless you are racing, motorcycle is not a sport, it's a hobby.
I am worried I will see this ban in my lifetime. California is already busy passing laws paving the way for computer driven cars. Once those things hit and the Nanny State decides it's unsafe for anyone to operate a motor vehicle himself, we are fucked.
So wht can a new rider afford?
Using $20 per $1000 financed for 60 months (rule of thumb for good credit)
$10k bike $200 a month.
A new what for $10k or less?
Triumph has a couple pretty cool bikes for under $10k
This. Most "cool" bikes are well over $6 grand new, hell new 600 sport bikes are well over $10 grand. While most of us agree new riders should start small, the fact is most do not. Also, how many of us went out and purchased a new bike when young? I bet many riders were like me, we started of on several used bikes over the years and then bought new. Hell I didn't by my first new bike until I was 30 years old but started riding when I was 14 years old.
So a better measurement would be the median age of registered bike owners over time, not just new sales since a vast majority of those new bike sales often are followed by a used bike sale and I bet often to a younger rider than the median age of the new bike purchaser.
Frankly IMHO the price of bikes has gotten out of control when compared to cars. When compared I can get say a Triumph Trophy for $21k which gets 35 or so mpg if I'm lucky or a brand new car for $15k with heat and a/c which also carries 4 buddies and gets 40 or more mpg its hard to justify the bike.
What the hell happened to bikes getting high mpg??? Bikes are so freaking focused on power power power most are far less economical than cars.
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It's the damn insurance that's killing everything.Most kids want a nice bike which means full coverage . HA HA HA. Good luck with that if you haven't been a perfect angel , and what young guy hasn't got at least 1 ticket.
Young adults are soft, poor, spoiled and want to carry stuff (surfboards, skis, drum sets,...). Motorbikes don't fit their lifestyles.
My teenager expressed interest in riding. So, I offered that he could take the safety course and ride an underpowered trail bike (say, a TW200) to high school for a year, then I'd think about letting him ride a proper motorcycle. He wanted nothing to do with it. Too wet, too cold, not cool enough...
Well stupid riders did that to insurance costs. So long ass people keep pissing off drivers and thus cops doing stupid crap to bring the law down on bikes we will keep paying as we are deemed to be reckless.
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The industry is far from Doomed. Fucking HD may be, but that has been in process for a while and the sooner the better. Young people are not buying HDs, that is no indication of anything in the rest of the motorcycle industry.
It isn't really much of a hobby, either - I suppose home wrenching is, and I suppose planned group rides might be, but taking my bike to work sure as hell isn't. Dirt rides might be a hobby or pastime, but unless you're competing, I don't see how you can call it a sport.
I commute. I like "transportation". You could use "alternate transportation" I guess, but that presumes subordinate status.
If you're riding on the street it isn't a sport (unless you're roadracing illegally, in which case you're a fuckwad and I don't give a shit what you think) any more than driving a car is a sport.
And, to go completely over the line: Anyone who calls (street) motorcycling a sport must not take motorcycling very seriously.
HD isn't going anywhere - there are shit tons of people buying cruisers.
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Hah! Next somebody will be trying to tell us bowling isn't a sport. :huh
Curious--why is motorcycling not a sport? Does that mean if you don't play competitive golf (as in, for money, on the PGA Tour), it's not a sport? Or is running not a sport unless you are in a formal race/competition? Or is Chess a sport IF it's in a formal tournament?
It's no big deal cuz I don't know you and am a big boy who sees things a little more broadly and respectfully. Having been or now being a racer is cool. Even so, unless you're Roger DeCoster, Barry Sheene, or you didn't get enough attention as a child and now need validation, these seem like narrow characterizations for a lot of people on here who share our motorcycling passion. (Oh, and I was a motocross racer at a younger age, which hopefully qualifies my comment and secures my status as a non-poseur.)
Oh, and to the point, I think the health or the motorcycle industry in the US is a bit threatened by post-babyboomer demographics, current economic doldrums, and the smaller discretionary income (than 10 years ago) in the hands of those under 40.
Hope to see you on the road sometime...
Obviously you're not a golfer.
Most definitions of sports read something like this: an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment
Yes there's a tiny amount of physical activity in chess, but for the most part it isn't that important.
If you aren't in a regulated competition with another rider (or driver) where there is a clear winner or loser, it isn't a sporting event. You are in transit from point A to point B. It is transportation. If you still disagree, why isn't driving a sport when you're just commuting?
Never mind the whole can of worms calling motorcycling a sport can open with those that already have a negative view of motorcyclists and motorcycling.
If you'd like to split hairs further, I'd caution you first to read the text above my avatar and my sig.
Sport [spawrt, spohrt] noun
1.an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2.a particular form of this, especially in the out of doors.
3.diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.
4.jest; fun; mirth; pleasantry: What he said in sport was taken seriously.
5.mockery; ridicule; derision: They made sport of him.
Yah, I guess I'm mocking you.
About 12 years ago I started exercising this sport as soon as I was allowed to at the age of 15/16, including a brand new motorcycle. Ten years later my little sister did the same. And if there ever will be little Wraith Juniors, they will do too. No way motorcycle industry is doomed.
So you'd refer to your motorcycling as a mere diversion? Is that really what you mean?
Why, again, is motorcycling a "sport" when driving isn't? Why would you use such an ambiguous word for something that you claim is so important to your life?
Sorry, this discussion of semantics is a waste of time. My points:
1. Motorcycling doesn't have to be racing to be a sport; a spirited track-day ride, dual-sporting to Alaska, or bettering your skills for more than just transportation can be sport.
2. Not being a racer (past or present) doesn't automatically make one a poseur.
My step-son did not get his drivers license til he was 24 years old. He didn't want it. The age at which the first time drivers is going up. I anxiously anticipated my drivers license from 13 years old. I had a car at 15 and was driving on my 16th birthday. Kids these days aren't leaving home til they are 30 so getting their first new bike at 49 sounds about right..
Maybe motorcycling is a sport if you ride a sport bike. Or a dual sport or an old Honda 750 SuperSport? I once raced a HD Dyna with my Goldwing and he didn't have a sporting chance. Glad to see that all of you are good sports, just like the old codgers on the GL1800 forums..