Motorcycle to Maxi ?

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by DandyDoug, Jul 17, 2012.

  1. 20valves

    20valves Yamaholic

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    Try a Yamaha T Max if you can. It's a twin cylinder 500cc engine and is fast and smooth. 15" wheels and great brakes. Lots of good choices out there but I am really impressed with my T Max. Same front brake calipers as my R1 and Super Tenere and it's a very solid chassis with very good suspension. Handles well, is stable in the twisties. Easily will cruise at 75 mph and about 50mpg+. Good luck.
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  2. Oldandslower

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    I'm 73 years old, and just sold my 2009 TMAX, and bought a 2012 Suzuki Vstrom 650 (I missed shifting :) What "20valves" says is true. The TMAX is far and away the best "scooter" made today. Pretty extreme thing to say, but true in my opinion (and Motorcycle.com). http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2009-yamaha-tmax-500-review-87665.html

    and:http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/1173/Motorcycle-Video/2011-Yamaha-TMAX---Scooter-Shootout-Video.aspx

    It's more like an automatic motorcycle than a scooter. Great handling, great acceleration, great brakes, great weather protection-especially with the Givi Touring windshield. You can pick up a new/old model for around $6000.00 or $9000.00 new. Very comfortable to ride all day, great low speed handling. The center of gravity is very low. You can easily stop, look both ways, and start off without putting a foot down at stop signs. In a lot of ways, I wish had kept it..only one bike at a time, for me. :)
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  3. DandyDoug

    DandyDoug Been here awhile

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    I would dearly love to keep my old BMW, SWMBO has a lot to say about that :evil

    The T Max looks interesting, but i have never even seen one on the road :huh

    I have a friend who owns two Yamaha stores in FL. and i am sure he can make me a heck of a deal on one.
    But i wonder why i never see them :huh:huh

    I had a sweet Wee Strom for a while, but sold it because i could not defeat the dreaded buffeting issue. I tried a Laminer Lip, a couple different wind screens, but the buffeting was so bad it actually bounced my bi-focals around so much i got a head ache and could not see to ride.
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  4. Oldandslower

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    You don't see them, I think, because they didn't sell well. Too much money, probably--$9000.00 new. I think the new models are more than that. You can still buy a new/old stock one as there are many 2009 models around. Just do a Google search. They have a really great forum: http://majestyusa.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=27&sid=f41cae55c3a4ed400cee2eebcb79f0b2 Lots of help there.

    I was pleasantly surprised how good the TMAX is, after I bought it. I bought mine used for $5000.00, rode it awhile, and sold it on eBay for $5000.00 (free ride!) I didn't do anything to it but change oil and filters. What I really liked was acceleration. You can pass a car in seconds and when you look down you're going 90 mph! When you let off the gas it compression brakes just like a motorcycle, and then the clutch gently lets go at about 10mph. Really nice. It was easy to get over 50mpg. Not great for a scooter, but nice for 500cc.\

    The new Vstrom (Glee) has a completely different front end and windshield. I added a Givi touring windshield and there is NO buffeting. They tell me the bike is all around better than the old one.
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  5. elamofo

    elamofo Been here awhile

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    The only TMAX I've ever seen in person is mine.

    They haven't sold well in the US at all. They sell like crazy in Europe though. They just introduced a new model over there with the engine bored out to 530cc, there's a thread on here about a very nice one. No plans to bring it to the US though.
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  6. Twisted Martini

    Twisted Martini Been here awhile

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    I bought a 2009 TMAX last year and absolutely love it. I have seen a few around, in fact I saw one in Kennebunkport ME while we were on vacation. Like a sport bike with an automatic trans. Handles like a dream, great power and responsiveness stock, and many put the J Costa variator on to really make it move.
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  7. Warney

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    Given your parameters, a gently used Honda Silverwing would be an excellent choice.
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  8. FoldArt

    FoldArt Been here awhile

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    If you care to come down to Cornelius, you could try my Silverwing and/or Vespa GTS. Both are very nice scoots, but in different ways. I also ride with some other scooter riders in the Wilkesboro area and points West; if you would like to meet us up there sometime, PM me or let me know in this thread.

    The Swing is a good cruiser out of the box, but can be improved upon for a small outlay. Stiffer fork springs help high speed handling at the loss of some comfort around town. Replace the variator weights with lighter ones and acceleration improves noticeably. Many people also like to swap out the windscreen if they are taller.

    The Swing has most of the hp of the b650, but 50 less pounds to drag around. It has also proven to be low maintenance and reliable. Plus, they tend to be available for a reasonable price used.
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  9. DandyDoug

    DandyDoug Been here awhile

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    Thanks Foldart .

    I am a bit north of you in Lewisville, when the weather cools off to something less than 80 maybe we could meet up and you can ride my BMW if you like while I ride your scooters.
    Doug
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  10. Paul Mihalka

    Paul Mihalka Old Fart

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    Doug, I think along the lines you do, except I'm quite a few years older. I had the chance to do good long test rides both on the Yamaha Majesty and on the Tmax. I wrote my impressions here, with good comments from other inmates:
    http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794615
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  11. DandyDoug

    DandyDoug Been here awhile

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    Thanks Paul !

    The good news for me at least is the great folks on this and other forums who are willing to share time and equipment. I really appreciate all the advice and comments from everyone :D

    I am under no pressure or time frame to make a switch to a maxi/step through, and want to make the most informed decision i possibly can make as this may be my last two wheeler. ( oop's I think I have said that before when dealing with SWMBO :rofl)
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  12. chazbird

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    After riding around town and on local freeways for about a year I've recently started to tour on a BV250. Its doable. Since the OP states the majority of his riding is in the hills and such I can say on the BV250 you can ride in the hills/mountains all day long and not get tired. But on the open road above 65(which is actually 61) with some gusty winds I started to start to feel beat up after 2 or more hours - it was feeling a little small for that. Maybe the BV350 would fix that. I get 65-80, 73 average mpg on the 250 and its claimed the BV350 gets nearly the same. I'm all for using the minimum size that works for all the conditions and I think a BV350 would work for me. Other than that I'd go for a TMAX (difficult to find), or if there's serious cross country touring I'd like to try a Burgman 650, too.
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  13. Tromper

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    I can speak to the Burgman 650 on this.
    It does fine in the tight twisty bits. Even the Ducati mechanic who put my new rear tire on thought it handled pretty good.
    I believe it is a bit heavier than your BMW; however the weight is quite a bit lower. You can also move your feet around, for instance I tend to tuck 'em back when doing twisties, & stretch 'em out when cruising. Depends on how you fit the bike of course.
    The 650 does engine braking, it's effectively always in "gear" above 10mph or so, & sometimes below if you're putting along. You can impact engine braking a bit using the manual shift feature & the "power" button (which increase RPMs & power @ the expense of fuel economy).

    Yup the plastic can be pricey. the left hand side has a warning device called the "center stand" mine's a bit scraped. The right does not have one, but it leans over pretty good. It's limit is a bit past mine so far so no real worries.
    (This ain't me:eek1) http://media.photobucket.com/image/...Burgman%20650/Burgman%20stuff/burg650lean.jpg
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  14. Qaz

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    Wew- that was a lot of advice, some good, some bad and a lot to sift through. The best advice I read was to keep your BMW until you find a scooter you can live with because after you live with one for awhile, you may find out you like the bike better. Scooters are about compromises, they do everything pretty well, where most motorcycles are focused at a particular task. You already own one of the best universal motorcycles ever made, so you already ride a bike that does everything pretty well. Now if shifting gears is tireing you out, then you need to quit riding altogether. But my guess is that you are riding over your head trying to keep up with the rest of the bikes. When I ride with my friends that race in either WERA or AMA and try to keep their pace I am pooped at the end of the day! A scooter is not going to help that, it didn't for me.

    Here are some facts;

    Where a scooter really shines is around town and in that domain the small ones excell; 50-150cc.
    The 500cc T-max is known as the best handling scooter, yet a 250 Ninja will run away from it anywhere.
    When riding the twisty's, the CVT transmission is always in the wrong gear.
    The tires wear out far too quickly and replacment choices are limited and expensive.
    All that plastic is expensive when dropped and comes in big pieces.
    They are more maintanence intensive than most motorcycle.

    With that said, I will always own a small scooter, they are just too convenient and useful. Although I put alot of miles on my Burgman 400, I wouldn't get rid of my motorcycle because of it. It is a nice addition to the motorcycles and complements them well. I spent a 3 day weekend this past fall riding the roads down around Mt. Airey, NC. and loved every minute of it, simply beautiful. I rode 800+ miles on the Burgman 400 that weekend and it handled everything I threw at it.
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  15. elamofo

    elamofo Been here awhile

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    Here's are some more facts. I've owned a 250 Ninja and a 650 Ninja and currently own a TMAX. The 250 is not running away from the TMAX, it's the other way around. If the road is all curves without a loooong straight, then the 650 isn't running away from the TMAX either. The TMAX outhandles both of them. Hands down.
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  16. 20valves

    20valves Yamaholic

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    I thought that bit about a 250 Ninja running away sounded a bit fishy. And while the CVT is different than a manual tranny, once you get acclimated to how it runs, you can fly! Ya gotta adapt to these things for sure but that's part of the fun imho.
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  17. DandyDoug

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    It's not shifting gears tiring me out by a long shot . If I had any sense I would stop riding for a bunch of valid reason though, actually tried to stop and it lasted less than a month. That's when I bought the Airhead.
    I figured I would still enjoy tinkering with an old nail. I don't enjoy the tinkering bit as much as i thought i would. From what i had previously read I thought scooters were not very maintenance intensive, guess i was mistaken.

    As for riding over my head; I got that out of my system as both an AMA & a WERRA racer a long time ago. Do I still occasionally go quicker than i probably should ?
    Like most , I am guilty of that, but it's rare more than frequent these days.

    I have as of yet no experience on a modern scooter or a maxi so the engine braking question was valid on my part. My scooter experience comes from the late 50's and early 60's on Lambretta's, Vespa's, Cushman's and that stuff. My family had no money to buy me anything so i found a way to get seat time by fixing the scooters of those kids more fortunate than me. My regular ride at the time was a co-owned Whizzer Sportsman.

    I would like to keep the BMW , but the reality of my retirement and my wife's impending retirement dictate that financially it will probably not be possible to have more than one toy at a time. I was considering a Maxi as a replacement that could do everything I want as a two wheeled vehicle , and be less maintenance intensive than a 28 year old BMW.

    As the weather cools I plan to take as many scooter & maxi test rides as i can find. I would only then make a decision.
    Doug
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  18. tastroman

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    As far as the price of tires go, I'm paying $40 for a 13 inch Shinko rear that lasts around 4,000 miles and the same for the front that lasts over 10,000. As far as maintenance goes, it's brand specific but on my Daelim you change the oil every 1200 miles (takes less than a quart), the belt and gear oil every 12,500 miles, and adjust the valves when you hear them. Really not different than a bike IMO.
    On my 1st scooter I ignored the 12,500 belt change interval and had the 1st belt brake at 20,000 miles and the 2nd belt break at 42,000 miles.
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  19. bobobob

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    Here's an alternative to a scooter that will be better for gravel and dirt roads, too.
    The Aprillia Mana 850. Auto or paddle shifts. Ergos and handling like a motorcycle.

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  20. DandyDoug

    DandyDoug Been here awhile

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    Me, I have little to no interest in either the Aprilla or the Honda .

    One of the things i like about a Maxi is it's a "step through" instead of a "leg over" as i get older that seems to be more attractive .
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