MOtorrad ADV bike comparo

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Thinc2, Jan 20, 2013.

  1. Thinc2

    Thinc2 Paciugo

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2004
    Oddometer:
    4,668
    Location:
    Seattle
    Some interesting data all in one place - weight, HP...

    Basic message - they like a lot of these bikes. For the Tenere engine: "unbreakable". For the Stelvio: "very heavy". NOte the price is not lower for the Guzzi and Tenere than the BMW in Germany. Not the case in US.

    Overall they acknowledge there are a lot of good bikes competing in this space. They also acknoweldge that what Harley has done for the chopper culture, BMW had done for the GS - you get to belong to a lifestyle when you buy a GS.

    They also note that their long term test Ducati has 50K KM's on the clutch with no issues. They have been sourcing this clutch for the last three years from Japanese OEM FCC. And guess what - this is the exact clutch that is in the new GS.

    And based on just this review - the KTM comes in first...


    [​IMG]



    [​IMG]



    [​IMG]


    [​IMG]




    [​IMG]
    #1
  2. GB

    GB . Administrator

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2002
    Oddometer:
    57,332
    Location:
    Toronto
    Thanks for posting the scans.. too bad I can't read it! :(: Strange that GS doesn't come in first place when it has all green bullets and no red, it is german based Motororra after all.. :scratch Interested in hearing what they had to say about the Versys 1000.
    #2
  3. ph0rk

    ph0rk Doesn't Care

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2009
    Oddometer:
    2,315
    Location:
    Nowhere
    They do not appear to like the Tenere.


    My crappy translations:

    Motorleistung: Motor power, motor output
    Fahrleistungen: road/driving performance (hence the wheel in the air)
    Assistenzsysteme: Like it sounds, I guess - assist systems. ABS, traction control, etc
    Gewicht: weight
    Reichweite: range
    Ausstattung: equipment/fittings, looks like gauges/trip computer
    Preis: price, obviously
    Gesamt: I'd guess something like Gestalt, the whole, overall winner.

    Someone who did more than spend a week ordering beer in Vienna can probably do better.


    Seems like odd stuff to compare based on, I wonder how the scores were weighted.
    #3
  4. Murf2

    Murf2 Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2007
    Oddometer:
    853
    Location:
    Kansas
    What, no Farfegnugen category ?
    #4
  5. ph0rk

    ph0rk Doesn't Care

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2009
    Oddometer:
    2,315
    Location:
    Nowhere

    I think that is meant to be covered by Fahrleistungen :rofl
    #5
  6. oalvarez

    oalvarez Resident Raggamuffin

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Oddometer:
    2,701
    Location:
    CA HWY 2
    Stelvio last overall...ouchie! :eek1
    #6
  7. Thinc2

    Thinc2 Paciugo

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2004
    Oddometer:
    4,668
    Location:
    Seattle
    They say: too heavy, and that technically it compares with the older GS generations. Also they say it is easily damaged when dropped.
    #7
  8. GS-A-Day

    GS-A-Day Adventurer

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2008
    Oddometer:
    88
    Location:
    Dallas
    Note that on p. 43 (the text in the picture) they say that this report is based on the numbers submitted by the manufacturers and (in the case of KTM and Aprilia) some estimates as well. The actual tests are to follow in March.
    #8
  9. oalvarez

    oalvarez Resident Raggamuffin

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Oddometer:
    2,701
    Location:
    CA HWY 2
    given their criteria, it makes sense that the Ducati came in first.....good for the guys from Borno Panigale!
    #9
  10. Moronic

    Moronic Long timer

    Joined:
    May 16, 2006
    Oddometer:
    1,775
    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia

    Thank you for that. I was wondering. All the power outputs quoted seem to be as as claimed, at the crank. So they are lining them up, on the numbers. A bit of speculation about how the new KTM and GS will go against the established contenders.

    The Stelvio might be a heavy beast, but the quoted weight - 285kg - doesn't sound quite right for the version they have pictured and named, which is the one sold with cast wheels and no extras. And while its tech might look old, it's near the Yam in the power department.
    #10
  11. coast range rider

    coast range rider Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2009
    Oddometer:
    182
    Location:
    Palomar Mountain
    If only I understood German so I could see which bike that I want that they don't sell here!
    #11
  12. MANXMAN

    MANXMAN Overlander

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2002
    Oddometer:
    1,550
    Location:
    BRITISH Columbia
    Thanks for that.

    Can anyone determine if there is any mention of off road abilities in the Fahrleistungen segment?
    #12
  13. Sock Monkey

    Sock Monkey Corporate slave

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2007
    Oddometer:
    2,430
    Location:
    SF Bay Area, CA, USA, Earth
    This is a spec sheet comparison, and they even got that wrong (compared weight if a Stelvio NTX but showed standard model).

    It is nice to have the specs all in one place, but to declare a "spec sheet" winner seems a bit :huh :loco

    -SM
    #13
  14. LowOnFuel

    LowOnFuel In the crapper

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2007
    Oddometer:
    305
    Location:
    Pacific NW
    I think it says the KTM came in first, but I might be wrong, again. :wink:
    #14
  15. Fishenough

    Fishenough Team Lurker

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2009
    Oddometer:
    126
    Location:
    North of 56
    Warps my brain that what many consider a 'large trailie', an off the shelf dirt bike (KTM 1190), can pull a 10 second quarter mile and hit 150 miles per hour.
    #15
  16. twinrider

    twinrider pass the catnip

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2002
    Oddometer:
    9,557
    Location:
    日本
    So they rode the spec sheet and came up with a winner? Must be short of topics to write about... :norton
    #16
  17. Rick West

    Rick West Function not Farkles

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2006
    Oddometer:
    1,222
    Location:
    Out West For Awhile
    Not the slightest bit surprised that the MG finished last but I am surprised tha new "street" KTM finished first ahead of the Ducati on a strictly pavement comparision.
    #17
  18. GB

    GB . Administrator

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2002
    Oddometer:
    57,332
    Location:
    Toronto
    Ya, a spec sheet comparo and a winner is chosen. :rolleyes They gotta create a buzz around the new GS. On paper it has no faults. :lol3 a few years ago you could count the available large displacement adventure touring bikes on one hand. It's great to have more choice and the choice of reliable japanese bikes. Honda needs to bring theirs here.
    #18
  19. Thinc2

    Thinc2 Paciugo

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2004
    Oddometer:
    4,668
    Location:
    Seattle
    I didn't post it because of the winner - I posted because I thought it was useful to have the info all in one place...
    #19
  20. Rick West

    Rick West Function not Farkles

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2006
    Oddometer:
    1,222
    Location:
    Out West For Awhile
    Don't worry about it. It's winter and it gives us something to compare the bikes with.

    You are always going to have those who's bike did not make the grade sad. It hurts their feelings when their "just as good as the those others but it was way cheaper" bikes comes in at the bottom half of the comparision. I'm sure KTM, Ducati and BMW paid them off.:rolleyes
    #20