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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Reverend12, Sep 23, 2009.
Maybe ride it around the country for a year or so to different events..
You have a common, but slightly misguided view of LD riding. You might be amazed at the places I've been and things I've seen far from any interstate slab, during endurance rallies. I rode to FL the day after Christmas, with my wife, just moseying along and took 4 days to get there, spent new year's eve/day in NOLA and came home to UT in another 4 days. Great week plus on the bikes, despite getting stuck in TX for an extra day due to snow and road closures.
The segment you describe are the riders I avoid. Too many tee shirt and shorts guys trying to ride that same corner faster than before. 10/10ths on the street? No thank you.
Yep, it's a small minority. (LD riding), But there are people that go places on motorcycles, and then there are the guys that ride the same roads back and forth. I can't help but look upon the riders that tells me he can't ride more than 100 miles a day with pity. They miss so much of the world out there.
Track days are fun. But you don't buy a $30k bike for a track bike, do you? Motus is selling Super Sport Touring. So Tour. That means it needs to actually be capable of going places w/o a dealer network to service it or fix it. I can't help but think they are a couple of old guys w/o the stones to ride full on Sport bikes any more, so they built these. Didn't think it through well, but made a nice, old school bike all the same. Pushrods? Mmm, okay. Chain? 'cause you get more direct power and less drivetrain loss? Like that matters when you can't use all the power you have to begin with on the street.
Right now it's moot. Until we actually see bikes in showrooms, it's just more vaporware. I think it would be great if they can get off the ground. Hopefully they make it and it doesn't end up with only a few bikes out there in museums and garages like Jay Leno's.
Track days ARE FUN but I would not pick a Motus for a track day machine, But I have also seen BMW G/S's and a Harley Softail at a track day. So with that being said you are correct that some track time would help with understanding the bikes limits.
Are you are making a blanket statement that the 50,000+ IBA members are not also backroad blasters, canyon carvers and track day enthusiasts :huh
From my experience, I have found my fellow IBA members to be the most rabid of M/C owner, many own multiple bikes and many do off road and track days and enjoy some of our "rarified air" distance rallies.
I am happy nobody is watching us do our rides, I do them for myself
I think that even though most modern bikes can go 10-11 thousand miles without a major issue, It is still a big accomplishment to finish an IBR, I feel that my Buell would have a slim chance, because it has yet to go 10k without a major issue.
My hope is that the Motus is like Henry Fords first cars, A little history lesson.
Henry kept delaying the delivery of his cars to get them to his satisfaction. To the point that his investors kicked him out. That company became the Cadillac motor company. Henry then started over and put his product out when he was ready and the rest is history.
Not saying that Motus is the next Ford Motor Company, but I applaud them for waiting till they are ready to produce the best product they can.
But they also could be vaporware ..... I hope not
Doing an IB(or another form of LD rally) isn't to show that "if you buy one you can too", it's to prove that the engine/chassis is solid. Even if they just ride it around a circle track for 24 hours straight. Even better do this with it - http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/08/24/cws-1985-24-hour-world-speed-record/
Really prove the motor. Do something bold. It is the American style to go bold or go home.
You are a new motorcycle manufacturer at Barber and you won't make a video going around that track? Although I am disappointed in the price of the Motus, those guys have tested the crap out of that bike.
On an ST. And they still didn't sell.
The angles are not directly comparable, but the idea is there.
The Motus bodywork is feel-the-breeze.
I guess I'd better quit riding long distance on my Guzzi LeMans, then...
Good point. Although I know a lot of people who have Duc ST's, and they really like them. And quite a few people who wish Duc still made them and would buy one if they did. If I was looking at a sport-tourer, the Duc St and the MOTUS would be by far my leading contenders, and for pretty much the same reasons. For this, although the MOTUS is much higher in price, I think it has an advantage in *not* having the baggage of an established brand name. Ducati's efforts I think were severely hampered by the fact that it is strongly perceived as a sportbike company, and people who wanted a touring-capable bike simply didn't think of or look at the brand in the first place, and thus never evaluated the ST as a viable choice.
Ok, I agree. How about you let them do that when they decide.
Prudhoe Bay to Key west: Multistrada
San Francisco to New York: ST4
Of course I would! But, I'd also balance that with a touring event.
More than those. He put about 225K on the ST4 chasing records, and took several. He then got an ST4s, but was less successful with that one. Later he used a 1098 modified to carry hard bags.
Yeah. I was just trying to point out that it wasn't just an ST that he rode in the events.
How about they stop hyping it so hard if they aren't ready to go forward? How about giving the dealers the real info instead of blowing smoke up their butts, having them advertise Motus, only to have nothing to sell customers?
I agree, certainly let them decide, it's their company. Right now it's all flash and no sales. That's got to be expensive.
That's not a bad thing.
I've had a few bikes with fairings and tall windscreens (Guzzi Stelvio, BMW R1100 GS and HD Ultra) and have to say everyone of them buffeted me so badly that they were deafening and uncomfortable to be on for long distances. I did LDs anyway.
Flipside, I've taken naked Buells, HDs and BMWs (no fairing and windscreens) from Texas to places like Alaska, Panama and Newfoundland routinely doing 600-1300 miles each day dependining on my itinerary and ability to find open fuel stops. Never dealt with buffeting issues and having damn good gear to protect me from the elements is all I ever needed.
A half faired and short windscreened BMW (R1100S) was the best of the bikes I've toured on. Lots of 800+ mile days on it up til I sold it at 160,000 miles and the whole of North America. Decent aeros, "just enough" protection and good looks. Getting home to Houston from San Diego twice and Ft. Collins once in a single sitting proves it can be done and comfortably. If it wasn't comfotable and fatiguing, I'd have obviously broken the runs down to 3 days. The R has also seen a number of track days including at Barber.
Did San Diego to Houston in one sitting last year on the little Ninja 1000.
I'm not an IBA member. Just a guy who likes to tour far away places with limited vacation time so I get to places as quickly as possible then get back as quickly as possible and not always on the slab..
So, any manufacturer who want to pass their bike off as sport tourers should prove it can take non-stop pounding. So extreme durability testing in the shittiest weather is imperative because, without fail, most of my vacations ar riddled with shitty weather.
Where are they doing all of this hyping?
I think they're being fairly invisible.
I must be doing something wrong by LD riding my Buell :eek1
I like feeling the wind personally ..... It is like what X1 stated, its how the air moves around you that makes a huge difference in comfort !
I was wondering the same thing. Other than this forum, in fact other than this thread, I haven't heard boo about them...