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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Reverend12, Sep 23, 2009.
Pointless, maybe there will be a point when they start making and selling them.
I'm not concerned about burns while riding, but those accidental bumps when moving around a hot bike. I guess if it were a problem some moto journalist would have mentioned.
One last post on this bike, and I'll get out of here. Many will disagree, but that's ok, it's only my opinion. I consider this whole thing a joke. I hope the company fails, mostly because of their arrogant attitude. And I fully believe it will. Just like Excelsior-Henderson, and Indian. Oh, and don't forget about Ridley. And most of the tiny companies that were assembling Harley clones from aftermarket parts have also fallen by the wayside.Yes, Indian will fail again, even though it now belongs to Polaris. Indian seems doomed to fail 1000 times, unless someone finally realizes it won't work, and gives up. The main problem is the price, also the uncertainty of future support. In the first place, both with Indian, EH, and Motus, the bikes are simply not worth the price, or anywhere near it. Certainly not as motorcycles, and none of them have the heritage, history, or name to add on a surcharge, like Harley can get away with. And like Harley or hate them, they are getting away with it, and have been for a long time. For that matter, so do Ducati and BMW. Victory has been pretty successful, because they offer value for the money, and a reasonably priced alternative to Harley, just like the Japanese do, and from a long established company. I do think they would do better if they quit comparing themselves to Harley, and started selling their bikes on their own merits. The one Cinderella story in all this is Triumph, part of their success was just plain luck, but they were also started up and run as a business, by a businessman, who did not have to raise outside capitol. They built quality motorcycles at reasonable prices, and they started out with several models. And they did not start out with a retro model. Unlike Indian and EH, something about the Triumph name resonated with potential customers, and their bikes were not "exclusive" something which I consider to be a big part of their success. The magazines also liked them. I like them. I see them as a European alternative to Asian bikes, and a good one. They made it over the first hurdles, and are now firmly established.
So while I have no interest in Motus, their bike, their company, or their attitude, I do hope they don't wind up costing investors and a few customers a fortune, like EH and a multitude of companies that tried to bring back Indian did.
One more word about Indian. Both the Kawasaki Drifters, the 1500 and the 800, were far superior to a "real" fake Indian, and sold for reasonable prices, and even they failed. The "new" Indian still has a copy of the Harley EVO engine, with just a few minor changes, mostly cosmetic.
Don't forget Norton...
your argument falls apart because Motus isn't copying the Harley engine or styling (thank dog).
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The price is insulting, but even more so, is throwing on GIVI cases, a sargent seat, and tons of other aftermarket parts that didn't cost them anything to develop, they just threw it on there and are charging like they engineered all of it from scratch.
no...they're charging for developing and tooling up for production of a clean sheet engine/transmission design.
Gee. I guess it's been 3 weeks since the last time we had a piss on Motus barrage.
Why bother? We've been over each and every point several times before Go out and ride.
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Do you complain about Ohlins suspension? That is COTS (commercial off the shelf) parts, too. What about Bosch ecu or Brembo brakes? Marchesini wheels? Why literally reinvent the wheel? Ducati and Guzzi use Givi.
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Not sure I understand. We both seem to want Motus to succeed.
They had to develop the engine and tranny, everything else is bolted on. Ducati does that but not even close tot he same level. A Sargent seat? That's fine but to charge this much is just stupid. I hope they FAIL! Now for all of this to cost $20,000 like it should and what it's worth..Me want me want! But no, they priced it right out of the buyers market that willl actually use it for what it was intended for. Now we have to watch douchbags like Tom Cruz and Brad Pitt ride one around in between pr events. Screw you motus!
Would you be happier with a Corbin? How many people bring their new BMW home and immediately buy a Sargeant seat for $500? How many Harley riders spend $5k on engine upgrades right off the floor?
Do you want Erik Buell to fail, too? He charges over $30k for his sportbike and he bought an engine and transmission from Rotax. Nobody complained about that - we were all so happy to see the end of the Harley lump!
Offering an opinion is one thing but wishing a startup american motorcycle company (the first one in how long?) to fail right out of the gate sounds more like you guys have personal problems.
I mean this 1st offering is outside of your budget, ok so does that mean that they won't come out with a 2nd generation that will be better AND affordable?
And to wish them to fail so that it precludes any and all subsequent designs is short sighted at best.
And it sounds like from here that you really have no clue what is involved with setting up a whole new franchise, from scratch, for the whole country. And that if successful, this enables a second generation bike to have a dealer network from which to launch from. You know being able to get it serviced and repaired and get warranty claims and parts and such from a dealer near you instead of long distance to the factory
And all of this completely whooshes right over your heads.
Is it just that your expectations are so completely dashed that you want THEM to eat worms and die?
You really should at least try and see a bigger picture here.
I hope they sell a million of them.
It seems to me that Triumph has shown that niche aspirational motorcycles isn't the path to success for a motorcycle start up.
Modular design is.
I would love to see one up close.
That (modular design) is what BMW uses as well.
And the fact that they offer the engine for sale tells me they are already thinking modular.
But a completely new startup with no brand recognition, no dealer network, of ANY kind, and starting with a clean piece of paper is costly (in time & money), no matter how you look at it. So they are (I believe) being realistic in building their bus model and doing so in as expedient a fashion as possible. No sense in stripping the gears nor riding the brake just to prolong a slow death.
I'll most likely never buy a Motus, but I hope they succeed.
These guys have put a lot of money behind a dream, and they've gotten pretty far. Crossing the chasm into production is hugely difficult, and I hope they pull it off. We need dreamers, and everyone knows we need good manufacturing jobs here in the USA.
Why will I probably not buy one? Because while I think it will be a better performing motorcycle than my FJR1300, I don't see how the increase in performance will justify the $15k price differential. I could pick up an adventurer tourer for that price, or two new KTM Freerides (the gas and electric one). There isn't sufficient additional value, to me.
Now, maybe Motus will take their V4 engine and build a 31" seat height adventure tourer around it. Then I'd be seriously interested... especially with shaft drive.
They are in Birmingham, same town as Confederate, which has stayed afloat for 20 years building $100,000 motorcycles in tiny numbers with, AFAIK, no dealer network.
Confederate is hoping this one will be a big seller:
It's only $50,000. They are planning to build two a week. Link for more pics.
One of the Motus guys is ex-Confederate.
Would not greatly surprise me if they were looking at Confederate's business model, or a development of it.
Saw an interview with the present Confederate designer. He said they were aiming to build bikes that people passed on to their kids after they got too old to ride them.
Silly idea in this disposable age of rapid tech change. The kids will have electric hoverbikes and won't need smooth roads. Why would they want one of these things? But it appears enough people are attracted.
Sounds like the same stuff Lee Conn was saying about Motus in that interview a while back when he was talking about "heirloom quality."
Most engines and transmissions are reliable enough these days. The shit that goes wrong seems to be with the electronics, rubber/plastic components, seals, etc., and I don't see anything to support that Motus is sourcing components any more rugged than anyone else.
Wow, people complain about the price of the Motus and that abomination is $50k? Nice EPA approved exhaust - no way that bike is street legal, so who is going to buy them? The Motus is a bargain in comparison and it can be ridden on the street.
Also, doesn't Confederate use S&S engines and an off the shelf gearbox? I also like the routing of the throttle cables...
What happened to the American tradition of rooting for the underdog? Everyone loves EBR but hates Motus? :huh