MOTUS: New Sport Tourer built in Alabama

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Reverend12, Sep 23, 2009.

  1. Geoff

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    Business reports tell shareholders and analysis what they want to hear. Trust your eyes. I see very few Victory motorcycles on the road around Chicago and Milwaukee or at major rallies.
  2. Geoff

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    Harley stopped using fiberglass 2006, about the same time they moved away from carburetors.
  3. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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    Don't forget that there are 200,000 HD's per year for 20+ years? You'll never see a lot of Victorys .
    Most of those 4MILLION Harley's look pretty similar .
  4. Geoff

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    I hear you. Lots of Harleys on the road, most of which look and sound the same except for the V-Rod.
  5. gymply

    gymply Been here awhile

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    The annual reports for the BIG 4 list total North American units sold, but not USA specific. For 2011:

    Honda: 185K units
    Yamaha: 64K units
    Kawasaki: 118K units
    Suzuki: 50K units
    (Not a MOTUS competitor:rofl, but) Harley: 150.9K units

    Unfortunately, it does not break down the type of bike, i.e. - sport, tour, dirt, atv, etc. Still interesting data though.

    Links:
    Honda (page 14): http://world.honda.com/investors/library/annual_report/2011/honda2011ar-all-e.pdf
    Yamaha (page 6): http://www.yamaha-motor.co.jp/global/ir/annual/pdf/2011/2011annual-e.pdf
    Kawasaki (page22): http://www.khi.co.jp/ir/news/ar2011.pdf
    Suzuki (page 10): http://www.globalsuzuki.com/ir/library/annualreport/pdf/2011/2011all.pdf
    Harley (page 20): http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Media/downloads/Annual_Reports/2011/HD_Annual2011.pdf
  6. ph0rk

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    Hrm, looks more like 50k units in North America for Suzuki (motorcycles, page 10)


    502,000 units appears to be all motorcycle sales in North America (?)


    Whoa, 11,971,000 bikes sold in India per year? Another 13 million in ASEAN countries? Holy shit. I wouldn't give a fuck about the North American market, either if I were them.
  7. gymply

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    Oops! You are correct. Post updated accordingly.

    Yep, the numbers from these reports are quite interesting. Amazing how many bikes are sold in other markets. IMHO, I think it is because they are used more for transportation and utility there as opposed to mostly recreation here.
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    jmlmjmjm Been here awhile

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    What does this have to do with your original contention that "Polaris is feeling a pinch from Indian?"

    As I asked, "says who?"
  9. Dave.0

    Dave.0 Been here awhile

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    The mental masturbation in this thread is entertaining :1drink

    That is all, carry on
  10. rocker59

    rocker59 diplomatico di moto

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    Good for them, and not the point of my post.

    I was simply pointing out that HD has Tomahawk, a factory they bought in 1963 for the express purpose of building bags and fairings.

    :dunno
  11. ph0rk

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    And their site still mentions fiberglass, but perhaps they are replacement parts only?

    "Employees manufacture plastic and fiberglass parts, including saddlebags, and windshields."

    http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Content/Pages/Factory_Tours/tomahawk.html
  12. Rick G

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    The vast majority of bike sold in those markets are small displacement bikes that would not sell in our market or even in most of Europe. Those countries are quite poor and motorcycles are the main mode of transportation. Haven't you seen those pics of an entire family of 5 all piled onto a 200cc bike? If my google skills were a bit better I would find one and post it.

    Rick G
  13. Contevita

    Contevita Cigar Adventurer

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  14. Rick G

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    Thats what I am talking about. Though I did mean a family of 6.

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    Whether or not those bikes would sell here doesn't change the fact the North American market is but a small part of their industry worldwide.

    They probably have as much trouble selling the 1800cc monsters they sell here in those markets as they would the small bikes over here.

    That the bikes they sell elsewhere are smaller displacement doesn't really change the fact that the North American market is a small segment.
  16. Geoff

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    Polaris is not making any money from the Indian acquisition says me and my two eyes. Okay?
  17. Blakebird

    Blakebird Solo Backwardo

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    They only picked up the brand in April '11 and are offering the previous "Powerplus" engined bike until they figure out what they're going to do with the brand's future.
    I don't think they're pushing things yet...

    Surprised all the naysayers haven't been slinging the Norton name out there :lol3
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    I really really hope they had a good idea what the hell they were doing with the brand before they bought it.
  19. nachtflug

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    1. ya think?

    2. if arguing with yourself counts as "everybody" you've got a good point there as well.

    :stfu
  20. GI_JO_NATHAN

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    Interesting.
    Just ran across this in the new Sport Rider.
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