MOTUS: New Sport Tourer to be built in Alabama

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Reverend12, Sep 23, 2009.

  1. Worroll

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    If you do a google search of "jerryh vulcan" the third thing that comes up is a thread on another forum titled "Please stop bashing JerryH." Think it's the same guy? :rofl
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    on the 250 Rebel Forum! :rofl
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    LINK please. :D

    Edit: Nevermind. :rofl

    JerryH: "Anyway, I will be gone for a while, as I have to get my Goldwing all fixed up, and the parts have started coming in. In just 3 1/2 months, I have gone from being pretty much a total beginner with Goldwings (yes, I had one years ago, but never worked on it much), to being a guru on one forum, and have been offered a moderators position on two forums...."

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    it can't be easy being a tech guru on Rebels :poser

    I followed that link...it was mildly hilarious
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    yep, JerryH on here and on the rebel250 forum is the same JerryH :-(
  7. Worroll

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    I think until Motus' start appearing as production bikes that's the only direction for this thread to go.
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    He is a self proclaimed Gold Wing Guru. Now I know where to go for advice on one of my projects. :photog
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  11. Carter Pewterschmidt

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    This is what I'm saying. Building a new bike AND a new engine is a very expensive endeavor. I would like to know how start up companies even get funding for these sorts of efforts. This is just like the countless new sports car companies that pop up every couple of years. They come and go like downtown night clubs. Selling a premium product requires a premium name. Think of premium brand names like Rolex, TAG Heuer, Gucci, Versace, Rolls Royce, Ferrari, Ducati, Harley, etc. Those companies didn't just pop up 5 years ago. Those companies worked long and hard to get to where they are. You think you're just gonna walk into that market all Johnny-come-lately and get a piece of the pie? Come on now.

    What they need to do is start with building a cheaper, much more basic bike, maybe race the thing, get some customers, build some rep, figure out how to turn a profit, then start coming out with wild $30k, 1200cc, Ohlins equipped bikes. Not to mention they're designing a bike for a dying market. Sport touring sales are currently one of the worst performing segments. They could work the niche angle, but with that price you have to wonder just how bad do sport touring guys need to scratch the itch?

    As JerryH stated, even Erik Buell has a name and a customer base. Plus he markets his brand through his racing program, which is already established as well. The race bike and program support money he's making alone might be enough to keep the doors open. So as far as I'm concerned he's already miles ahead of Motus plus he's not spending money on R&D for building completely new engines.

    Much like Buell the dirt bike companies like ATK and Husaberg all had racing programs which in turn generates revenue and builds reputation.

    I am aware that Indian did the same thing recently by coming out with a $35k or whatever bike, but they used the Indian name, which is still well known. So in turn Polaris found them to be worth buying. Even so it still took a few attempts to get the Indian name in such hands. Do you think companies like Polaris or Harley would ever buy Motus, because without a parent company, shy of a miracle, this operation could never survive on it's own. Although Chinese and Indian companies seem to be buying whatever they can get their hands on...

    If you still don't see my point just look through the product history of all the motorcycle companies that are standing today. Did any of them start out selling bikes like this?



    TL;DR If Motus was selling penny stocks I still would not buy.
  12. rocker59

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    No.
  13. DAKEZ

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    Polaris? Maybe.

    Harley-Davidson? No way.
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    For some reason this Motus saga reminds me of Hesketh. Hope Motus fairs better.
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    As far as building a name, the bike is mostly built from existing high end suppliers, so in part the name recognition is already there. I'm guessing Katech, who built the engine, took care of a lot of R&D costs as they seem to be selling the motor independent of Motus, in different forms. No matter what happens with the bike, those engines will sell and cover R&D cost, small boats, dune buggys, even kit cars. The 2.4 ltr at 350 HP would be a monster in a small car, I can just imagine that bolted into my little BMW 318 hatchback.... or fitted into a old fiero....
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    Or something like an Aerial Atom :deal

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  19. rocker59

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    It would beat the hell out of the 5.0 conversions!

    The MOTUS engine is lighter than the Miata 4-banger, so handling wouldn't suffer.

    A 350bhp, 2000lbs sportscar would be great fun!

    Heck, I had fun in my M1 with not much more than 100bhp!
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    The Miata 4 cyl is actually a heavy engine. Most links I've read put it at about 290 Lbs complete with manifolds (engine only, not including transmission). The Katech with 350 HP and reduced weight would be awesome!