MOTUS: New Sport Tourer to be built in Alabama

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Reverend12, Sep 23, 2009.

  1. rocker59

    rocker59 diplomatico di moto

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    I know people like that. The things they buy have name brands that have perceived value that goes along with the high price.

    Sure, there are going to be a few people out there who will want to buy a MOTUS. Those people will not be buying the bike as a status symbol. It has no status, and it has no perceived value.

    The biggest problem with MOTUS at this point is they are simply not available for purchase. And, may never be.
  2. Worroll

    Worroll Been here awhile

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    The baby boomer's drove the custom chopper boom since that's what they rode in their twenty's. Maybe the Gen Y (or X or whatever they/me are called) will drive a custom sport tourer boom, or enough of a boom to support Motus. The lack of name recognition can actually increase the prestige factor for some. Try telling anyone that's not really 'into' bikes you have a bi-moto, and they'll say "wow- I never even heard of them, must be exclusive!" It certainly looks the part.
  3. X1Glider

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    The fact that "I" took my money back because "I" can not personally afford doesn't prove your point in the least. It only proves that I don't earn enough to own specialty items like this. I can't afford the new Vette either, BTW. . You've stated in prior post that "no one" will buy it because it's too expensive for what you get. My neighbor owns several good looking claasic hot rods, he digs the V4, he just doesn't ride. If he rode, he would have it and said so. He can well afford it.

    Even a $15k chooper is about looking cool, never mind the extra $25k. Some people want to be perceive as looking cool not matter what price or hobby.


    You completely missed my point. Of course the chopper guys won't give the Motus a second look if it isn't a chopper. What a ridiculous statement. The point was that there are people with $40k disposable incomes out there that would buy the Motus. One look at the local rich boys country club track around here (Motorsport Ranch) and you'll see exotic race bikes in their garage next to their exotic cars. I admit to not knowing them personally but I do know they have the bank account for it. I can even see then throwing the engine into a chassis for their spec car series. Let's not forget the crowd that streches swingarms, adds a 240 and polishes every bit of exposed metal and applies custom paint to their open class bikes. Locally I recognize about an extra $15k on top of the bike price on these machines. Even the hoodlums have the money. How many people on this site have farkled a bike to a $30k mark so they can extended tour and do IBA runs?

    So you're saying that they're doomed because it is a sport tourer? An adventure bike is a much bigger risk. The adv market is saturated. There's 650, 800, 1200 of various levels of build from every manufacturer but Suzuki. There's a lot less options in the sport touring market if you don't want something that's a bloated FJR or the like. I think they've found a hole to fill.

    You couldn't possibly make me look foolish. You've may have seen some things. I know things because I've experienced it. Born out of a racing hobby that snowballed, I created and ran a business that specialized in building high performance drivetrain and chassis aftermarket parts for American V-twins and dirt singles. I know exactly how tough the market is. I engineered, manufactured, marketed and sold everything single handedly and was succesful for a good 6 years before the market no longer was thriving enough for me to justify keeping the doors open and pay for the machinery and building space. Not to mention I got older and needed more sleep. I sold everything via internet and directly to dealerships, even doing the build work for the dealerships as required. I've been there and did it out of my own pocket. I can only imagine that with investors and the influx of money that could allow me to run the business full time instead of as a side job to my regualr job, I could likely still be doing it and doing it bigger. This knowledge of running the business and knowing the market makes me believe they'll do well. Just slowly. Hell, they couldn't do any worse than Indian or Exelsior Henderson.

    Still none of this means I know the Motus business plan anymore than anyone else here. Like others have said, they surely have one and there's also experience from working at Confederate on their side. It's not like they don't know what they've gotten into. And the market? By looking around, everywhere I go, I would never know an economic crisis has hit us. There's hope for them.
  4. X1Glider

    X1Glider Been here awhile

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    So you believe that in order to have status you must be well known in addition to being expensive? Perhaps with the "label" crowd.

    What about all the upstart, exclusive car manufacturers out there that have no history in manufacturing or racing, yet they still build a car or 2 per year at 1/2 million+ for the insanely rich? They buy it because no one else has one. I'm sure that qualifies as status.
  5. chadhargis

    chadhargis Too tall for sportbikes

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    Motus looks like they have a great product. If it's as good in reality as it appears to be, the moto mags should slobber all over them.

    I'm pulling for them. They are a couple of hours down the road from me and I'd love to see them become the Koenigsegg (or at the very lease Shelby or Saleen) of motorcycles.
  6. Mr. Canoehead

    Mr. Canoehead Taste Gunnels!

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    This thread is on the "express elevator to hell, going down!"

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    Can we keep it civil before it gets dumped into Head Explody?
  7. rocker59

    rocker59 diplomatico di moto

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    "the label crowd" are the ones who spend money on things like $30k-$40k motorcycles. Screamin' Eagle, known builders, etc.


    Which upstart? The ones I know of have racing heritage. McLaren, etc.
  8. rocker59

    rocker59 diplomatico di moto

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    I vote on locking the sumbitch. :super

    All this talk about a mythical bike... :lol3
  9. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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    Pagani for one.
    What status did Lamborghini have in 1962?
    You have to start somewhere, so starting small, low volume and exclusive seems logical to me.
  10. KMC1

    KMC1 There is no spoon.

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  11. X1Glider

    X1Glider Been here awhile

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    Koenigsegg is another. Took 8 years to get the first one to market. Built 2 each year the first 3 years. Someone bought them. Company has zero racing heritage I know of. Just a shitload of investors.

    Open any Car and Driver issue and you'll see at least one name of Supercar you've likely never heard of that has no heritage. They build one or 2 per year and someone buys it just to say they have something no one else has even if no one else has ever heard of it.
  12. baloneyskin daddy

    baloneyskin daddy bikaholic

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    Maybe the investors can dig up all the riffraff in their families and throw them into a make believe manufacturing facility to argue and fight in front of tv cameras and sell it to the networks for a few million to help out their struggling enterprise.It's not like its never been done before.:lol3
  13. rocker59

    rocker59 diplomatico di moto

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    MOTUS should've picked an Italian-sounding name...

    The one they picked is stoopit!

    :lol3

    Pagani came from Lamborghini.

    Lamborghini was a known rich industrialist customer of Ferrari who put his own money into building a GT car after being insulted by Enzo.
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    rocker59 diplomatico di moto

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    :lol3

    +1
  15. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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    I didn't ask for your history lesson, I asked you to tell me what brand cachet they had before building expensive butt jewellry.

    Why don't you tell us how Lamborhini tractors were exotic and their reputation transferred over.
  16. rocker59

    rocker59 diplomatico di moto

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    Look, Ferruccio Lamborghini was a well-known Italian industrialist during the 1950s and 1960s.

    Tractors, oil heaters, air conditioners.

    By your tone, one might think you had a Ferrari in your woodpile.
  17. apessino

    apessino Long timer

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    :roflSeriously.. Pagani? Koenigsegg? Have you taken a look at those cars?

    True, they have no heritage or racing history, so they make up for that by being positively INSANE. Astonishing attention to detail and materials, unique engineering and world beating performance - you do THAT and package it in a way that screams "mechanical artwork" and THEN you can charge whatever outrageous price you want for it.

    The Motus bikes are nothing like that - they look utilitarian, they are not particularly sophisticated or innovative and they are not going to beat anything performance-wise other than bikes that are NOT meant to be about performance. Nothing wrong with that, but then you have to be priced accordingly, and these bikes most definitely are not. It's as if Pagani came out of nowhere, made a car that looks and feels like a Toyota Avalon and then charged $300K for it - "expensive" is relative, "priced according to expectations" not as much.
  18. chadhargis

    chadhargis Too tall for sportbikes

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    Does anyone make a 185hp sport tourer with 122ft/lbs of torque?

    I'd say that's world beating.
  19. apessino

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    Yeah, as I said it beats all the bikes for which performance is not the main focus (and assuming those numbers actually materialize, which is yet to be seen, and that's only for the R model). So what?

    Sport tourers are really not about all-out power, because if you start thinking that way then is the ZX14 a sport tourer? Slap some Givi bags on one and it'll eat the MTS-R for breakfast in a straight line or in the corners. :D
  20. chadhargis

    chadhargis Too tall for sportbikes

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    I'm playing the devil's advocate here, but how can anyone be sure it would beat a ZX-14?

    We're talking about a 1650cc engine generating some impressive power in a 530lb motorcycle suspended with a Ohlins suspension.

    I've never ridden a ZX-14 or a Motus, so I don't know squat about either one. I do know that sometimes the stat sheets are misleading. I own a Ninja 1000 and I can tell you it has AMPLE power. Will it beat a ZX-14...no...and honestly, it doesn't have to.

    I'm sorry, I might be in the minority, but this bike is DEAD SEXY:

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