Gee, how about assembly technicians, quality control inspectors, manufacturing engineers, and the little infrastructure items like being able to paint parts or create an assembly line for production. Last I read, they still have 3 employees. You can farm out a lot of parts and assemblies, but it still takes a lot to build those into bikes. The less you control in house, the more often you get stuck waiting for a vendor. <shrug> does going to the factory in Portland count? You know, before they were sold, again. When they didn't have a transmission that would hold up and couldn't deliver on their production promises. They had a bunch of 916s, but not any they would sell. Actually, you missed my point with the 'local' dealer, (about 140 miles away). I think they are still on board, but they removed all reference to Motus because there isn't anything to tell/show people. Tell me you can deliver in 2015 and do it in 2014 and you're the Man. Tell me you can deliver in 2012 and deliver in 2014 and you suck. As for not seeing any production bikes meaning nothing. You're right, it means nothing that I haven't see any. It means something that no one else has either. I know plenty about what it takes to bring a new product to market. I've spent the last 30 years in manufacturing and have been part of the process of doing prototype and production work to bring complex mechanical products to life and get them to the customer. Yeah, I know how marketing tends to screw everyone by jumping the gun. I know how vendors can screw your time lines to hell and deliver parts/assemblies that were not what you spec'd, despite the first article items being spot on. I know how little things like paint and VOC's can cause havoc with quality control and licenses and fines. The quality control alone on vendor supplied parts is a big chunk of time and cost and manpower. And I've seen companies nearly fold that were doing well when a distributor jumped the gun and advertised products that we were developing, but were not ready for production, killing sales of current production while end users 'waited' for the new item that was still over a year out. Motus has a chance, even at the current pricing. As long as people want the bikes, they will sell them. But customers are fickle and grow tired of waiting for things that don't materialize. From the moment you start showing off your products, you have a window of interest to take advantage of. Motus might have another year, then the window will close. Today's interested buyers will have moved on and bought other bikes. None of us will really know how the Motus will sell until people start buying them and riding them and talking about them.