MOTUS: New Sport Tourer to be built in Alabama

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Reverend12, Sep 23, 2009.

  1. capriccio

    capriccio Long timer

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    "Especially since the engine is specially made" What you saying is the other mfger's go in the shop, work for years creating an engine, then figure out what it would be good for? Or are you regurgitating the propaganda brochure. You right about the direct injection, as the others just spray and hope some will get in the cylinders, which is called spray and hope.
  2. Bueller

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    No, he's referring to a purpose designed engine for this one machine (currently), whereas other manufacturers will often use one engine in various states of displacement/tune across multiple models.

    It's not an act with you, it is...
  3. capriccio

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    Motus has only one prototype of a sport tourer, of course its "specially" built, if they design a cruiser with the same engine it won't be" special" anymore. What I read is that the engine was designed with the hope that others might use it, including car companies, motus own words. No, its not act but it must be with you.
  4. Starwarrior

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    Can we just focus for a minute?

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    Oh, and this too:

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    Some things I notice when I look at these pics: The front fairing neatly mimics the Givi V35's. I don't know if they're planning on including a "chin" to the fairing, as was in the original sketch. I also think it's interesting that they put V35's on the bike; they're certainly a popular bag, and Kawasaki, Suzuki, Aprilia all use them as "factory" luggage on some of their models (Ninja 1000, Bandit 1250ST, Mana, respectively). The drawback is that unlike other factory luggage systems (BMW, Yamaha FJR, Kawi C-14), the givis leave behind an unsightly (to some) tubular rack. Perhaps these are simply part of the prototyping process, but with the fairing styled as it is, the implication is otherwise. I'm curious to see her with her "pants down."

    Also, for those in the Daytona Area, this bike will be at the Progressive IMS at the Ocean Center at 1400 on 10-Mar-2011. Admission is free as it was last year.*

    * Of course last year it was free because all the big manufacturers are at the Speedway with their free demos, and all that was at the IMS last year were Zero Motorcycles (with free demos, though), stretched 'Busas and ass-less chaps. So it will be worth showing up to be there at 2 o'clock.
  5. GB

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    This looks like a KTM headlight..

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    The Motus VP sitting on it... the bike looks diminutive..

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    the back end..

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  6. Bueller

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  8. El Guero

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    Check the video, that's just an optical illusion of the angle of the camera looking down on the bike.
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  10. funhouse

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    Does the engine sit 'down at the bow' in the frame? Bruce
  11. bk brkr baker

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    Screw the naysayers, it's an American V-4 ,BABY!

    It's pretty impressive how far they've come in a reasonably short amount of time.

    It sounds great , looks like a real bike and if the hp figures are right should be quite livley.

    I look forward to a big magazine shootout between all the Japanese and German competition and this.
  12. Moronic

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    Funny thing is, they are going to have all the handling issues of a longitudinal crank, but then twirl the torque through 90 degrees and drive the wheel via a chain. :eek1

    I know those handling issues are ameliorated these days by various tricks, but there are reasons why all the MotoGP V-engines run a transverse crank.

    That aside, I'm liking the look of this more and more.

    Another interesting aspect is their decision to aim for a market niche established makers have stepped away from.

    While acknowledging that the handlebars will be adjustable, the ride posture shown in that video is uncompromisingly on the 'sport' side of sport touring. And the bike looks much more like an ST4 or VFR than an FJR or KGT.

    I am guessing that is a passion-driven thing: these guys wanted to build that sort of bike.

    And then they've asked people who own or say they want that sort of bike, what they'd have if they could.

    I have this half-formed view that sometimes various 'experts' want to abandon whole categories on the basis that they don't sell, when the problem is not with the category but with the detail of what is offered in that category.

    These guys seem to have paid astonishing attention to the key details. Six-gallon fuel tank (about 24L). Direct petrol injection, which when I think about it should help the low-speed lean-running smoothness a lot as well as helping frugality and hence adding range. An engine with character, we can guess (and hope). But not a high-maintenance character: quite the opposite, it appears. There seems to be plenty of room between the pillion footpegs and bags, and bags and mufflers. The bags look big. Chain adjustment is via eccentric axle carriers, which affect ride height when moved and hence steering, but not enough to bother road riders, and make alignment easy. Chain drive, because that's good enough these days for touring, has sporting advantages, and saves on development. Etc etc.

    I look on with great interest ... and speculate that the icing on the cake (which I bet they've not specified) would be electronic cruise control: the first on a tourer this sporty. :nod
  13. Tripped1

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    It looks that way.

    Makes sense really the rider is the biggest mover of Center of Gravity, so putting the motor low and forward cancels that and get the weight balanced out somewhat. Its a normal thing for sportbikes, the engineers try to get the motor as close to the front wheel as possible to both increase forward weight bias and to even out CG to a more desirable level.

    Since you can basically think of it as a double wide, water cooled Guzzi.


    That isn't anything I would be terribly worried about. I think I read that they counter spin the transmission to balance it. I've ridden both Guzzi's and a Rocket III threes that both had longitudinally mounted to motors without noticing any real handling quirks. In fact the 82' Guzzi California two was quite a good handler for a 29 year old bike.
  14. Doug Pirahna

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    I really like what I see and read of this bike. What about the proximity of the heads to the rider's knees? Looks like it could get plenty toasty.
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    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    Look at any Guzzi -- the rider's knees are way closer to the heads than on this bike.

    I'm just thoroughly impressed that these two guys really have actually done their homework on what was missing on a good sport-touring bike. They really do seem to have a passion to make this bike exactly what they wanted, bean counters be damned, which is worth something in my book. Doesn't mean I can afford one :lol3 but it's awesome to know this bike is going to be out there and have a chance. I have never understood why American motorcycle manufacturers can't make anything but cruisers. These guys just seem to be engineering nerds who really like motorcycles and that is exactly the kind of person who should be building them. That was Mr. Honda. I'd like to see it more.
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    His knees look like they're resting on the heads to me! I don't think you insert your legs through the heads on a Guzzi to ride it do you? :lol3
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    Anybody have a photo of this guy on there from another angle?
  18. El Guero

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    Check the video in post 147 around the 3:00 mark.
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    What is missing on a good sport touring bike? :ear

    It seems to me this bike is in the same sport touring - with emphasis on sport -as the Bandit 1250, the VFR800, and possibly VFR1200, as well as the CBF1000 which is available in this market, and maybe the ZX14. I keep hearing from riders who do a lot of long distance riding that they don't want a chain driven bike. To me, this bike would be more attractive with a belt than a chain. Sure, chain gives you a choice of gearing, but on a touring bike it's not critical, and chain maintenence is not a big deal but still, a belt is virtually maintenance free.

    Let's hope they don't price it out of reach for their target demographic.
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    Depends a bit how much the "character" aspect is relevant. 1650cc longitudinal v4 based on a US v8? Sounds like it could have a bigger personality than its Japanese rivals - if you like that sort of thing (and I do).

    But we are still waiting on a lot of the details. We are hoping it will be much lighter than a VFR1200, and if it is not, then it will be a much harder sell.

    Similarly, if this motor does not feel a lot better to ride - for those who are sensitive to that sort of thing - than a Japanese transverse crank inline 4 of two thirds its swept volume, then you are right: it will struggle.

    Especially if it is also offered at a large multiple of their prices. :puke1