Msf brc rcp omg wtf lol

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by vaara, Jul 12, 2014.

  1. vaara

    vaara Been here awhile

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    ... is my cryptic way of announcing that I'm currently taking part in "Learning How To Teach People To Ride Motorcycles" class, a.k.a. "Ride Around In Circles In A Hot Parking Lot Until You Barf, And Then Share Your Feelings About It" class.

    Day 2 (of 9) wrapped up earlier this evening, and I have to say I'm enjoying it more than I thought I would. I'm *almost* at a point where I feel comfortable just reading what's on the cards and not trying to embellish or editorialize or even paraphrase. Which I suppose is a way of explaining to you n00bs out there why RiderCoaches just read from those range card thingies... because piling on a whole bunch of extra info -- however fascinating and/or technically sound -- would interfere with learning.

    In the immortal words of Johnny Carson: I did not know that.

    So far we've just been coaching each other. There are only 5 in the class, 2 of whom are current or former police motor officers, so there hasn't been much to correct. But that may change tomorrow as we start messing up on purpose. :evil

    Further updates as events warrant.
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  2. smithe

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    I became a MSF instructor back in '03 or '04, it was a great class, even with the rain, high winds and hail we trained through. I miss doing it but after a few years of teaching, I just didn't have time to keep doing it anymore. Enjoy the experience, I think it's quite rewarding teaching new riders this great thing we all enjoy!
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  3. TracerNH

    TracerNH n00b

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    Keep the updates coming! My first class starts in just under two weeks.

    Chris
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  4. Norty01

    Norty01 RIDERCOACH

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    Hang in there, vaara! it may get intense. You'll not only learn the "what", but the "why" also.

    EDIT~ RTFC!
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    Best of luck to both of you




    My RCP was 2010
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    Enjoy it. I got certified in 1992 and became a Trainer in '03. Love it.
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  7. vaara

    vaara Been here awhile

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    Not a whole lot to report from day 3, except that it is (as indicated above) getting more intense. There was confusion caused by the fact that it's a non-standard range, so even though I'm finally starting to get the message (RTFCYFF!), there are obviously times when the cards can NOT be treated as holy gospel.

    In general, some nits that went largely unpicked yesterday were quite thoroughly picked today. RiderCoach positioning, demo narration, things like that. We rode badly for each other (on purpose), so that was fun. I do wonder how a RC could spot, say, a failure to up- or downshift from across the range while viewing the rider's right side, but I suppose that comes with experience.

    Next week we get "guinea pigs."

    Random notes: SPF 70 sunscreen does little good when it gets scraped off your face during repeated helmet puttings-on and takings-off.

    Camelbaks are a RiderCoach's friend. That fact didn't occur to me til I was 45 miles away from mine. :knary Fortunately it was a relatively temperate 85 or so where we were; weekend we might not be so lucky.
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    Skyshadow Banned

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    I tried to be a coach once......even with lots of water and a cooling vest the heat during the training caused me to get a bad case of sun stroke which put me down for a week and washed me out of the class. :deal
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  9. Andyvh1959

    Andyvh1959 Cheesehead Klompen

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    Good that you are doing something for motorcycling, keep it up. I've been an instructor since 93 and still enjoy getting others started in motorcycling.
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  10. SxyRdr

    SxyRdr Been here awhile

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    Yep, a camelbak is a lifesaver! I even freeze some water in mine so I have a block of ice that slowly melts as the hours tick by. Plus it's nice having that cool feeling against my back. Hubby also takes a small cooler of ice and a bandana or head over. Put ice in it on breaks and let it sit around your neck.

    FOOD... LOTS OF FOOD!

    Sunscreen needs to be reapplied every break for sure. Sweat and on/off of helmet/gloves does not help.

    I don't wear one but lots of RCs wear big floppy hats. I just wear a standard baseball style cap.

    I use dirt bike gloves instead of my street gloves.

    Lots of coaches also buy cheap 3/4 helmets for class. Helps when it's cold out.

    As for the shifting, you'll get used to the sound difference between 1st and second as you are out there more and more often.

    You'll have the same issue on the opposite side regarding both brakes. Not all of our bikes have working brake lights.
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  11. vaara

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    Thanks, SxyRdr, and everyone else, for your encouraging words!

    I'm all set for gloves - my summer mesh ones are working fine. But I need to figure out upper-body clothing; I have a long-sleeved lightweight "travel shirt" (for lack of a better term) that works great, but I can't wear it in the hot sun 2 days in a row. I suppose there's always the hotel sink. Yes, I stayed in a hotel even though I only live an hour away. Don't judge.

    Speaking of heat, I'm sorry to hear about your experience, Skyshadow -- that really sucks. Have you thought about trying again?

    Good point about the 3/4 helmet, esp. since the range where I'll be teaching is in an area that's often foggy. Only problem is that those helmets make me look like a dork.

    I'm going to be doing some serious prep work this week, in preparation for next weekend's first experience with 'real' students on the range. Obviously I'll just be focusing on the range exercises, but in general, am I correct in thinking that 95% (at least) of my studying should focus on the range, not the classroom?

    One other thing I've discovered, besides the fact that ADVRider converts all-caps to lowercase in thread titles: Post-It notes do not adhere well to range cards. They seemed like a good idea at the time... until they started fluttering all over the range.

    And finally, we'll be doing our written and riding evaluations next weekend too. I'm not particularly worried about either.
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    We use long sleeved fishing type shirts from bass pro or columbia brands.
    Vented in the back and lightweight. We have a ice chest on the range and everyone is free to help themselves to chilled bottled water as needed . Usually I have some while rezding the cards or kickin the cones.
    Lots of unscented sunscreen...bees like some sweet smelling stuff,, I don't like bees.:D
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    i don't do the camel back thing. what i like to do is take one of my water jugs and fill it 3/4 full and put it in the freezer. it usually lasts about 3 hours....more if you wrap it in a towel.
    i also keep a couple of granola bars in my range card pouch and cough drops. they help when you are talking, at least for me when i talk loudly my throat gets scratchy.
    i've been coaching since 2000. if you get up to santa rosa say hi!
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  14. Skyshadow

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    You can get those electrolite tablets that are sugar free and are made for the camelback. They work good.

    If you ever have sunstroke.....it's not fun. While I would like to do it again, after making it 90% of the way though and having that hit. The idea scares the hell out of me. That whole touch the hot stove thing. :lol3
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  15. double_entendre

    double_entendre Ticking away the....

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    Are you sure it's the helmet?















    :hide

    Seriously though, thanks for doing this. I've thought about it, but haven't pulled the trigger. Definitely need more riders and riders who know what the hell they're doing.
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  16. vaara

    vaara Been here awhile

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    Actual unretouched image of me in a 3/4 helmet:

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  17. double_entendre

    double_entendre Ticking away the....

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    Perfect!

    :lol3
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  18. SxyRdr

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    If the RCP KT is the same as the one I took back in 2011, have each exercise number and name memorized. The name will help clue you in on the more detailed questions regarding the purpose of the exercises. There are some other things on the test that I believe asked about learning styles and some classroom stuff, but the thing that stuck out most to me was needing to know exercise numbers/names.

    :rofl Post Its... I used them and it rained. The ink from the notes is now permanently transferred to my cards. BTW, the range cards are not as waterproof as you think they are. If they get wet, dry them as soon as you can.

    On the range (some of this may not apply as here in VA we have a very strict guide for the range):
    Big and Loud. Big obvious hand gestures to signal the students. Loud, projecting voice to make sure all 12 can hear you. **
    RTFC
    Make sure the students are in a good spot to watch the demo (here in VA, we're actually dictated as to where the students must stand for each demo).
    Demo FINE-C each and every time you start that demo ride and make sure you take 3-4 power walk steps.
    Over emphasize all motions (i.e. head turns, checking for cross/opposite traffic, counterweight, etc).
    If you're having fun while riding the demo, you need to slow down.
    And of utmost importance: range safety. A RC friend of mine got gigged because the reversal for 7 didn't go exactly right (student stalled and lead rider was coming around; potential head on collision; they told him he should've blown his whistle as soon as he saw the situation unfolding).


    ** I'm 5'3"... just a petite Asian woman. Whenever I coach with someone for the first time, I always get: "Wow... I underestimated you. I was concerned you were going to be this quiet, demure thing but no.... holy hell you're loud!"




    As for your shirt, the Febreze Sport spray is amazing stuff.
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    justafurnaceman Imaginary

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    I started to put my paperwork in to be a RC since I'll have more time off with my new position. I like the idea of giving back to the motorcycle community.
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    On the range cards: Write on them in pencil. It doesn't fade or bleed but can be erased easily.
    NOTE: I wrote the objectives for each exercise RATIONALE on my range cards in pencil. In several cases, those objectives are different than the ones read to the students. In the RCG Rationales, these start, "It is important that...".
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