Msf brc rcp omg wtf lol

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by vaara, Jul 12, 2014.

  1. bio388

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    I think the majority of us were required to go around for a second pass. Remember, there were only 5-6 of us. I distinctly remember thinking 'oh, I guess we have to do it the other direction on take 2". It seemed to make sense at the time. :cry
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  2. 4TooMany

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    That still doesn't make sense. If you were required to go around again, it's because you swerved the wrong direction (or went too slow). So unless you swerved AGAIN TO THE SAME SIDE, you would have passed.
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  3. vaara

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    Out of curiosity: when someone does an eval exercise wrong the first time, do you tell them WHAT they did wrong before the second attempt?
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  4. SxyRdr

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    Yes, I do.
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  5. 4TooMany

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    Yes, though there are very few conditions that will allow you a second attempt. Too slow, wrong direction, or anticipation in the swerve, and too fast, too slow, or anticipation in the quick stop. That's all.
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  6. double_entendre

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    I took the BRC with my wife a while ago and I remember there being a point where they said "if you dump the bike, you fail." (In essence, at least.)

    Some gal did dump her bike but they let her try the exercise again and she passed.

    What up with that?
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  7. Valker

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    During the evaluations-drop the bike=fail. During the exercises, bike drops are something that sometimes happens. Unless there are extenuating circumstances, the student continues.
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  8. NoVa Rider

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    Virginia advocates (or at least did) that if the rider comes to a stop at the end of the eval, the eval ends. If they drop on the way to the next staging area, or waiting for the next eval, no fail. . ..
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  9. motorat

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    i ask them if they understood the instructions that were read to them.
    then say something like now swerve to the right, go a little faster...or what ever the issue was.
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  10. SxyRdr

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    Yes, this is still true.
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  11. dwoodward

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    Oregon also. A rider is evaluated from when they are called out, until they stop. If they're shuffling forward in line and fall over (for example), it doesn't count.

    If you try to explain every way a student could fail, or not, their heads would be so full of crap that probably won't happen they won't be able to remember what they're supposed to do.
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  12. dwoodward

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    We are expected to say explicitly how fast- "15 miles per hour". Otherwise, you get what happened last week- an instructor said "a little faster", and they did- but still too slow to score, so they got full points for that exercise (swerve, IIRC) and then failed.
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  13. vaara

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    The problem here (IMHO) is that this might encourage them to stare at their speedometers when they should be looking up.
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  14. dwoodward

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    Obviously, you're in CA, and MSF, and I am neither. However.

    No matter what you say, there are four possible outcomes.

    1) they'll speed up a little, but not enough.
    2) They'll speed up enough and make it.
    3) They'll speed up enough and not make it.
    4) They'll speed up so much they can't make the swerve.

    If you say exactly what you need, which in your case is "speed up to 12 to 18 miles per hour", you're covered when they call and complain. If you say "speed up a little", then they have a basis for arguing that they did what you said to do, and their failure is your fault.

    This is fresh in my mind because it happened last weekend. My partner told the student to "speed up a little", he did but not speed up enough, and failed the section, which caused him to fail overall.

    From the reports I got, he was on the phone complaining before we were done packing up the range.
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    Another of students gone whack-a-mole.

    I was conducting a retest session, which are done at the end of the day Saturday (typically starting at 4:30pm). One of the riders had been a student in my class the previous weekend, and we were chatting while wating for the rest of the students to show up, during which conversation I mentioned I had been there since 6:30am (class started at 7:30, instructors are inspected to be there an hour early to set up).

    When she failed, she called and complained that, since I'd been there over ten hours, I was obviously incapable of properly observing her.

    I am empathetic, sympathetic, and polite as a MoFo to anyone who comes on the range as a "student". But I also work very hard to remain professional and reserved. They are not my friends, and I work quite hard to not let them have something they can stab me in the back with later.

    Probably that makes me sound like an ass.
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    A smart one at that.!
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  17. vaara

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    Not yet. :D

    This weekend we get real (i.e. paying) students.
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  18. SxyRdr

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    I had a student who kept anticipating the quick stop. I kept saying "You are anticipating the stop. Wait until your front tire passes the cue cones."

    Sure enough, he went 5 feet too far in the eval. He complained that he did what I said ("waiting longer") and that's what made him take longer to brake.

    Then he also decel'd and crossed the boundary in the curve. He argued that he had entered the turn too quickly so therefore, a decel was the safe reaction. Obviously since we told him he was not to decel, we must've wanted him to crash and get hurt.

    He took it all the way up the chain to the director of the DMV saying that he demanded those 10 points be removed from his score, therefore allowing him to earn his license (I think he had a 26). The DMV politely told him to take a hike.
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  19. SxyRdr

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    Good luck!

    Just relax, manage the range, RTFC, pick the positive, correct the negative, and send them on their way. :)
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  20. NoVa Rider

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    And use the stopwatch. . .. Keeps things moving. :clap