MSF Fail

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by SuperGlueRyan, May 10, 2012.

  1. yzmaico

    yzmaico Slacker

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    I've seen some hefty guy's flying in the Advanced classes at track days.

    When you do your first Trackday, sign up for a all day Novice only class, you'll learn so much more, but definitely pay attention to the instructors, Trackdays can be painful also when you color outside the lines:eek1
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  2. Grainbelt

    Grainbelt marginal adventurer Super Moderator

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    I had my bike for a month before the MSF and had done some practicing with my permit so I was fairly confident I'd do well.

    That little ancient CB125 would rail around the long curve; I was told to slow down a few times, and that third gear was entirely unnecessary. :uhoh
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  3. Gitana

    Gitana A work in progress

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    Gaerne boots fit fat calves.

    I wear my pressure suit and my knee/shin guards even when riding street. I'd rather sweat than bleed.
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  4. Madrox

    Madrox Like a bat out of hell

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    Calves on Dainese boots are adjustable and expand quite significantly.
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  5. tallnbig68

    tallnbig68 Adventurer

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    :rofl
    As someone similar however much larger in size and weight was advised you'd be better off not
    even taking the course. In my case had ridden since age 15, that was 45 years of riding
    before being felled by cancer, surgery and chemo. Thought I'd at least try again. The comment
    back to me was simple; you're almost seven foot tall, weigh 450 pounds and you want to ride again
    after what you've been through? We strongly advise against ever trying to ride anything, again.
    Mind any machine I rode in the past had to be radically modified to handle my size.
    Bought an new Honda Ridgeline truck in lieu of a motorcycle, and even that is difficult
    to get in and out of. Am just too damn tall and heavy! And chemo weakens one's system horribly!
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  6. JeffS77

    JeffS77 cheap bastard

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    haha same thing happened when I took it
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  7. grisezd

    grisezd Been here awhile

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    To the OP, thanks for you honesty. I instructed for about 7 years and stopped enjoying it at about year 5, mostly because every class had 3-4 students riding like you had been and getting little or nothing from the class. I consider myself a "sport" rider and would always try to re-direct the hotdogs into working on the building blocks of good speed (smooth, consistent, entries that allow progressive throttle roll on, the eyes, etc) and had good success with some of them. But those that wouldn't listen I would tend to stop helping. There's something for any rider in that two days, if you want it!

    Regarding some mention of instructors shouting, over-coaching, etc: The program that the BRC replaced was drill-sargent-based. We were asked to be stern, to give criticism to every rider regardless of their performance, and essentially to be nearly unpleasant. The new program is kinder, gentler, and it's now more up to the student to learn. I like it. Others didn't change with it. In a way, it was nice to be paired with an old-school instructor, as we'd end up doing "good cop, bad cop"!

    Thanks again for the honesty. Spread the word, and I hope your instructors get to see this.
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  8. AZbiker

    AZbiker Crunkin' with crackers

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    I just wish someone made moto boots in a 13EE.
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  9. westerlywinds

    westerlywinds Two Wheels-Ride it

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    I saw the picture of the knee pads where are they from working guy store or motorcycle? They look like the pads workers use to apply for a raise on the job.:lol3 It is very hot here in El Paso summers I sometimes leave off my armor pants because of heat. I never thought about those knee pads.
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  10. Izzy3

    Izzy3 Freak of Unnature

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    You can get them, just have to $pecial order them.
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  11. AZbiker

    AZbiker Crunkin' with crackers

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    What I figured. Normal boots for me until I win the lottery.
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  12. wiseblood

    wiseblood Hall Monitor

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    6' 11", 320lb here. :wave


    Tiger fits me pretty well...

    [​IMG]

    :D
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  13. Nevada

    Nevada Been here awhile

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    yeah. You were "fairly sure" that you would have been fine on the DR200. Perhaps rather than being "fairly sure", you should be "very familiar" with a bike you're planning on hot-dogging on. Fortunately, you've demonstrated that you can learn, so there's hope fer ya.

    Heal up, hope you'll be healthy enough for your trip.
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  14. SuperGlueRyan

    SuperGlueRyan Been here awhile

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    I still can't seem to get my left foot on the peg and the ortho docs seem to think that I've torn my MCL and PCL in my knee. I still have hopes for my week long riding/camping trip that starts next Thursday, but it's not looking too good. I guess that I'll find out after my CAT scan when/if I'll be having sugery. :eek1


    Funny thing is that I was talking to a friend of mine who is a fresh rider, maybe 15 miles in his log book (I'm helping him get his KZ440 running) and he is convinced that he isn't going to wear a helmet or anything while doing parking lot drills since he thinks that there isn't any real risk. Even after seeing me being jacked up from basically the same thing that he is talking about. :huh I pushed it too hard, but he doesn't know yet what counts as pushing too hard. Hopefully he'll learn from me that stupid hurts. :lol3
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  15. Sanders

    Sanders Stogiesuckingsinglemalter

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    Good on ya' for your honesty, and for recognizing the disruption to the class. Empathy is lacking in many, many individuals today. Appears to me you've got the right attitdude about the whole thing and riding in general. You'll be fine, and, I think you'll make a fine motorcyclist. As others have said you prolly learned more from this closed circuit get-off than if you had just passed...
    ...and BTW Holy Shit 7000 miles in 6 months! Hell Yeah!

    Sanders
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  16. Unca Fud

    Unca Fud nrpetersen

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    At 73 yrs old, BLU HWY got me dizzy just watching his video! Nice crisp turn entries & exits. Enjoyed anyway!
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  17. mr. matteeanne

    mr. matteeanne Bender can pass him

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    Not to hijak the thread but if you look at the data your company with 2/3rd of motorcycles wreckers who simply lacked experience which caused the accident.
    I know I learned a lot about bikes the hard way, as a result in my "old age", I ride safe and have fun, in contrast with having fun and riding safe.


    A major work done on this subject in the USA is the Hurt Report, published in 1981 with data collected in Los Angeles and the surrounding rural areas.<sup id="cite_ref-Hough1_6-0" class="reference">[7]</sup> There have been longstanding calls for a new safety study in the US, and Congress has provided the seed money for such a project, but as yet the remainder of the funding has not all been pledged.<sup id="cite_ref-LAT1_7-0" class="reference">[8]</sup>
    The Hurt Report concluded with a list of 55 findings, as well as several major recommendations for law enforcement and legislation. Among these, 75% of motorcycle accidents involved collision with another vehicle, usually a car. In the MAIDS report, the figure is 60%.
    Other notable findings in the Hurt report (quoted below) were:<sup id="cite_ref-Hurt_8-0" class="reference">[9]</sup>

    • 75% of accidents were found to involve a motorcycle and a passenger vehicle, while the remaining 25% of accidents were single motorcycle accidents.
    • "In the single vehicle accidents, motorcycle rider error was present as the accident precipitating factor in about two-thirds of the cases, with the typical error being a slide-out and fall due to overbraking or running wide on a curve due to excess speed or under-cornering."
    • "Almost half of the fatal accidents show alcohol involvement" and "injury severity increases with speed, alcohol involvement and motorcycle size."
    • In the multiple vehicle accidents, the driver of the other vehicle violated the motorcycle right-of-way and caused the accident in two-thirds of those accidents.
    • The report's additional findings show that the wearing of appropriate gear, specifically, helmets and durable garment, mitigates crash injuries substantially.
    • "Vehicle failure accounted for less than 3% of these motorcycle accidents, and most of those were single vehicle accidents where control was lost due to a puncture flat" and "Weather is not a factor in 98% of motorcycle accidents."
    • "The failure of motorists to detect and recognize motorcycles in traffic is the predominating cause of motorcycle accidents... Conspicuity of the motorcycle is a critical factor in the multiple vehicle accidents, and accident involvement is significantly reduced by the use of motorcycle headlamps-on In daylight and the wearing of high visibility yellow, orange or bright red jackets."
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  18. Little Bike

    Little Bike Air/Clutz Sue

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    I resemble that remark! I've put about 2800 miles on my Rebel (the Wee Beastie) in the last 5 months and still loving it (including an 800 mile trip):clap This summer I've got 5 weeks to goof around - I'm meeting up with family in southern Utah for some atv riding and then its off to? (might need to find my passport) Its been a great first bike (I'm 5'9" and "rubenesque":D) and I honestly think I'll be riding it for quite some time (especially at 75 - 80 mpg):freaky

    Its funny how everybody seems to find "their bike"

    When I took the brc the company had a bunch of 150s. The one I was on had been dropped so many times that the tank was flat on both side and the maker's name had been completely obliterated!:lol3
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  19. Nightrunner

    Nightrunner Long timer

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    I agree with others who said good honest post. Frankly I'm a bit surprised the instructors didn't slow you down before you dropped it. Once or twice too fast in a maneuver is one thing but it sounds like they had plenty of time to say something to you. Oh well, sounds like you learned a lot! Better than dropping it out in traffic.
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  20. Nightrunner

    Nightrunner Long timer

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    Interesting. I did not know the "new Hurt report" was on hold. I thought the project was awarded/funded years ago. Too bad. A lot has changed since '81. Sport bikes are a lot faster. Touring bikes are a lot heavier. More people riding. Helmets and other protective gear are much better and more prevalent. I would expect some of the findings to be quite different this time.
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