My Experience thus far with Andriod GPS apps

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by Thanantos, Feb 2, 2011.

  1. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    So the WiFi only devices don't have GPS built in? I'd be surprised if you couldn't activate it by jail breaking the device, but maybe its an integrated chip with the 3g?

    O Apple, I am so glad I don't own any of your devices. Broken from the factory. Only to be repaired with more money.
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  2. EmmEff

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    This is my understanding- the GPS is integrated with the 3G chipset.

    What kind of nonsensical drivel is this? My iPads work as advertised. They were never designed nor sold as navigation devices.

    On the topic, there are many Android devices also without GPS but I guess those don't warrant discussion since they're not made by Apple.
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  3. Buddy_Holly

    Buddy_Holly Imminent Train Wreck

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    So back to the android world- I have a co-worker who will sell me his old droid so I can use that as a GPS- workable?

    How say ye?

    Sure would be nicer than having to buy a new $400.00 Garmin GPS.

    Thanks,

    BH
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  4. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    It will. I'm not aware of any Android devices that don't have GPS built in (except for the early Kindle and Nook tablets), but it depends more on what you want to do with it.

    The only thing that I can't get an Android device to do is give me good, offline, turn by turn directions of my preplanned route.

    Offline maps is easy, using a preplanned route is easy, but the only app I have found that does offline, turn by turn of an uploaded GPX route is OSMand and it does it pretty poorly.

    If you don't care about this very specific need then an Android device will work fine.

    P.S. not all Garmin devices will do that either.

    P.P.S. Once you get the device you can download maps via WiFi either using Google maps, OSMand, Oruxmaps, CoPilot, etc. which are all free.

    Trimble outdoors used to be good (their trip planning features are top notch), but now you have to buy the app and then sign up for a subscription service to use their trip planning features separately. That screwed all of us who bought the app previously, bastards.

    Crafty's app (Dual Sport Maps) is good with some moto specific features and a decent website interface to plan routes, but I believe its a variant of OSMand so try that first to see if you like it.
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  5. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    You're right on both accounts. The difference being the Android devices are half the price and accomplish the same thing....actually more.

    But, what the hell. If you're happy with it, good for you.

    It was not my intent to raise the ire of the Apple fanboys in the crowd.
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    Right. Trolling is fine when you don't get any resistance. I get it now.
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  7. craftycoder

    craftycoder Motobrain PDU

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    This is an Android thread is it not...
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  8. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    LOL! This is so silly. Stating a negative opinion about Apple is now trolling....on a motorcycle website? :loco

    Look, I'm sorry I ever said anything bad about Apple and promise to never do it again. Can we move on now?
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  9. craftycoder

    craftycoder Motobrain PDU

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    I just took on some iOS work. The hardware is pretty nice. I prefer writing Android software, but I can't really complain. Are you following my Bluetooth fuse block project? It's both iOS and Android. 8 channel, 100A, digital fusing, and possible constant current.

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=827565

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  10. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    Back to the thread...

    Since this thread is two years old its time for an update to the original post.

    I would like to include Orux, OSMand, CoPilot, DualSportMaps and Waypointer.

    Any others anyone can think of?

    Also would anyone with experience using Orux or DualSportMaps be willing to provide a review or how to for those?

    Thanks in advance.
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  11. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    OMG! That is AWESOME! I had no idea about it, thanks for letting me know.

    Are you close to production?

    Also, did you ever get your remote for DSM working?
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  12. craftycoder

    craftycoder Motobrain PDU

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    I've had the remote for over a year, but I never did get the price down to a level where I perceived it as a value for others. There are not 1000 DSM users yet so it isn't really a high priority. I love mine though. A inmate built up the enclosure for me and its fricking awesome!

    I am about to strat final testing on the single channel power controller, but the 8 channel is still several months out. It's a high ticket item so I need to make sure I get it right. I posted a video last night showing my ipod controlling a constant current source. When thats on my bike people are going to go ape shit I think.
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  13. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    Cool, well I'll be watching your progress for sure.
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  14. RustyStuff

    RustyStuff Been here awhile

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    I found one on the droid store called Maverick or something like that. No idea how good it is.

    I'll be watching this intently.
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  15. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    Hmmm, never heard of it, but I'll try anything once!
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  16. worwig

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    CoPilot works well. But whenever you start it, it always starts routing to your last destination. I prefer just looking at maps. Annoying, but not a big deal. You can cancel the old route after it starts. It is pretty much stand alone. It isn't practical to get tracks out of it or put any into it. When you do use routing, it gives you lots of options like fastest and shortest, etc.

    I use OSMand a lot. They have virtually all of the the OSM street maps ready to download and use offline. I like the feature where you can put in a destination, and it simply puts an arrow on the screen pointing to that destination. You can decide what roads to take to get there, just head towards the direction of the arrow. Or you can use it to route you on the roads. It doesn't route as well and Google or CoPilot, but it works well enough. You can use GPX tracks that you created prior to the trip if you want. It also does a good job of creating tracks of where you have been.

    Orux maps I mentioned before. I have loaded it maybe a half dozen times. Then a day or two later I get frustrated and uninstall it. I don't want to devote a couple of weekends to figuring out how to install offline maps. I'm probably just missing something, but I never did get offline maps on it.

    DualSportMaps is to much $$ to download as an experiment. Too many questions with no trial version. I don't do enough dual sport type riding.


    Oh, and I hate Apple.
    :rofl
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    craftycoder Motobrain PDU

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  18. TonsOfFun

    TonsOfFun Been here awhile

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    I'm looking to use my Nexus 7 as a all in one device while Motorcycle touring.
    I'm not sure if it's up to a notebook replacement yet but I'm going to experiment with it anyway.

    Has anyone checked out this site for Android software supporting OpenStreetMap for GPS apps?

    http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Android#Map_display_features
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  19. OneEffinName

    OneEffinName Been here awhile

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    My info is a little dated (1 year old?) and is very specific to offroad (tracks are very important, routing is not). I looked at a whole ton of android GPS apps and none were all that impressive.

    It got to the point that I started writing my own. Got pretty far with it (offline maps, import exprt, tracks, waypoints). Then I gave up and bought a Garmin Montana. I would rather ride the effin bike than write a bunch of software. I do that eveyr stinkin day and it gets a little bit too much.

    So here is all the crap I have on Android GPS apps:

    requirements
    log tracks and waypoints
    import tracks/waypoints to/from GPX
    export tracks/waypoints to/from GPX
    donwload WMS aerial photos from CRD
    download google terrain
    use backroad maps
    use garmin IMG maps
    toggle between maps
    offline maps
    zoom in and out
    small data size?
    shoot picture/video and geotag
    ease of use
    reliability
     
    Design Features
    Main map
    - sticky to current location
    - draw track
    - show waypoints
    - zoom in/out
    - flyout menu for tracks, waypoints, maps, setup
    track manager - like garmin
    - turn on/off tracks
    - record directly as gpx
    - different colours
    - delete
    Waypoint manager
    - record waypoint
    - delete
    Map manager
    - select map source (onoline google earthm terrain, map)
    - point to WMS server
    - download maps for offline use
    GPS status





     
     
    Reviews
    general reviews http://androgeoid.com/2010/08/topo-maps-aka-gaia-gps-onlineoffline-usgs-topo-and-openstreetmap-maps/
     
    Questions about Locus 0.9.28
    - indicator that its track recording - yes, click on click on title, click on track record
    - able to edit waypoint when setting it?
    - one button waypoint at current location
    - anyway to select which tracks to export?
    - anyway to load Garmin IMG files?
     
     
     
    Products to try
    rmaps
    backcountry navigaotr
    mapdroid
    gaia
    iGo
    trimble outdoorss
    navigon
     
     
    Products
     
    Locus http://locus.asamm.cz/
    PROS
    uses mytopo
    import/export fine
    offline maps, very versatile map download utility
    CONS minor
    when started alwys have to tell it mytopo


    CONS major
    CONS showstopper
     
     
    OruxMaps http://www.oruxmaps.com/index_en.html
    PRO
    decent user interface
    import export works well with mapsource
    can import from any folder
    CON minor
    have to import/export
    CON major
    poor topo maps available
    CON showstopper
     
     
     
    download maps
    POOR use IMG maps
    POOR offline maps
    EXC log tracks and waypoints
    GOOD import tracks and waypoints from MapSource - yes, via export
    GOOD export tracks and waypoints from MapSource - yes, via import
    NO decent maps out of the box - uses canada
    download maps
    zoom in and out on loaded map
    small data size?
    YES shoot picture/video and geotag
    YES goto - yes easy
    easy of use
    can use mobile atlas creator (TrekBuddy)
    how to createoffline maps: http://www.oruxmaps.com/manual_en.html
     
    Backcountry Navigator
    PRO
    decent maps out of the box NRCAN, Mytopo
    offline downloaded maps

    CON minor
    poor user interface
    have to import/export
    CON major
    NRCAN topo aspoect is weird (but can use mytopo which is the same)
    GPX files cant be read in mapsource, will probably have to convert
    CON showstopper
    hangs when downloading maps
    hangs when downloading gps track
     
     
    download maps
    use IMG maps
    offline maps
    GOOD log tracks and waypoints
    GOOD import tracks and waypoints from MapSource
    OK export tracks and waypoints to MapSource (have to export, loads in earth, but not in mapsource)
    YES decent maps out of the box - uses canada
    YES zoom in and out on loaded map
    small data size?
    shoot picture/video and geotag
    POOR easy of use - a little difficult
    YES can use mobile atlas creator (TrekBuddy)
     
    Maverick http://help.codesector.com/Maverick
    PROS
    easy user interface
    waypoints with pictures
    tracks are saved as GPX
    CONS major
    saves tracks and waypoints seperately
    import of tracks and waypoints are separate - PIA
    cannot orient to landscape?
    CONS showstopper
     
     
     
     
     
    download maps
    use IMG maps
    offline maps
    GOOD log tracks and waypoints
    OK import tracks and waypoints from MapSource (requires waypoints to be in separate file - grrr)
    OK export tracks and waypoints from MapSource (saves track directly as GPX, Waypoints seperately as KML)
    NO decent maps out of the box?
    zoom in and out on loaded map
    small data size?
    YES shoot picture/video and geotag
    easy of use
    can use mobile atlas creator (TrekBuddy)
     
    cannot orient to landscape?
    POOR tracks and waypoints saved seperately.
     
    GAIA http://www.gaiagps.com/
    PROS
    pretty good topo maps out of the box

    CONS showstopper
    NO DOWNLOAD OF TRACKS
    HAVE TO IMPORT BY SENDING AN EMAIL
    CONS major
     
    CONS
    does not use full screen
    does not save maps to SD Card?
     
     
     
     
     
    Alpinequest GPS Hiking http://alpinequest.psyberia.net/english/index
    download maps
    use IMG maps
    offline maps
    log tracks and waypoints
    import tracks and waypoints from MapSource (requires waypoints to be in separate file - grrr)
    export tracks and waypoints from MapSource (saves track directly as GPX, Waypoints seperately as KML)
    decent maps out of the box?
    zoom in and out on loaded map
    small data size?
    shoot picture/video and geotag
    easy of use
    can use mobile atlas creator (TrekBuddy)
    Ozi Explorer Android http://www.oziexplorer3.com/android/oziexplorer_android.html

     
    Backpaker GPS Trails (Trimble) http://www.backpacker.com/android-app/destinations/14052
    does not use full screen

     
    Rmaps
    Russian, little to read http://robertdeveloper.blogspot.com/search/label/rmaps.release
     
     
    MapDroyd http://www.mapdroyd.com/
    No waypoint save
    No Search
     
    Navitel GPS for android $28 http://www.navitel.md/en-navitel-price.html
    Possible, but russian...
     
     
     
    Garmap http://www.garmap.co.za/
    These are just maps for garmin
     
    MyTracks google product, might require connection, not sure if I can load maps
     
     
     
     
    Garmin maps on Android: http://androidforums.com/htc-droid-eris/53217-garmin-topo-maps-android.html
    http://mrfloris.com/blogs/garmin-topographic-maps-for-android-phone/
     
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  20. meat popsicle

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    I use OruxMaps. Maybe there's a learning curve, and maybe I am a bit of a power user, but its really not that difficult.

    I've enjoyed importing USFS georeferenced JPEGS with OruxMaps Desktop software (creates the formats for the Android App, including zoom levels), and I have even orthorectified NPS images in ArcMap, exporting GeoTIFFs for the Orux Desktop conversion. In both cases, one easy and the other requiring some GIS abilities/software, I have a very nice, easily read off the beaten track map.

    I've also used the app on WiFi to save online maps for offline use. That is very easy, all done on the phone. What I haven't done is create routes and used them to navigate back to a starting point, but I have made KML route maps in Google Maps and imported them into Orux so I have routes to follow, overlain on the online maps saved for offline, or imported geo-images. Very useful for navigating the remote places.

    Recommended if you don't mind figuring some stuff out. If you do, I recommend a Garmin device.
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