My First Scooter - Roketa 150

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by ParrotheadJeff, Mar 17, 2013.

  1. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    Often some of the battery dealers have seconds in batteries they ll sell you. Just means that it's doesn't look perfect or the post might have a nick in it. I know where I live I can go to all state batteries and buy one for 20 bucks. Doesn't mean that it's not going to last for along while. Once you re scooter going stop by a battery place and ask them to do a test on it. it's free and can tell you how good it is . Load test is what it's called.
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  2. baloneyskin daddy

    baloneyskin daddy bikaholic

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    It will kick start and run fine with a dead battery,the brake and signal lights won't work properly though.
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  3. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    I wonder about inline fuses hidden somewhere? Then again china scooter more likely the wiriing contectors are just crap and need to be gone over one by one . Worth doing just to be safe now then have problems at the side of the road.
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  4. ParrotheadJeff

    ParrotheadJeff Class A CDL

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    I'm going to post up an update in just a bit, but I wanted to respond to everyone else's posts first.

    Jerry - I figured out that the thing in the green circle with the red and green wires is the ignition coil and that red wire is the ground. The other thing with the rotted hose is the PAIR system for emissions. I just replaced the rotted hose and we're pretty much good to go. The battery seems to be doing great, but I'll keep your suggestions in mind :1drink

    Good idea about a "second" blemished battery! I'll see what I can find around here. It would probably be a piece of cake in Vegas or San Diego, but I'm kinda in the sticks in central Utah. I'll definitely have a shop do a load test on it :wink:

    I've managed to get the thing kick started a couple times, but it's not easy. I hope I don't have to rely on it anytime soon :lol3

    I've looked all through the bike and there are only two fuses - the ones on the battery leads. They're glass and they're going to be replaced by blade type fuses before too long :deal The rest of it may or may not get replaced before it fails - we'll just have to see how it goes from here :evil
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  5. ParrotheadJeff

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    OK, time for an update and I've got quite a bit of good news :D Sorry for the delay - I came down with food poisoning a couple of nights ago :puke1 and I have not had the time or energy to post anything :bluduh I'm doing quite a bit better now, so I'll get on with the show :thumb

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    I had the plastics off the handlebars for a couple of reasons. The first was that the brake light was staying on all the time when the key was on and the second reason was that I figured it would be a good idea to flush the brake fluid on the front brake.

    It turned out that the brake light situation was caused by a minor issue with the electrical switch on the left (rear) brake handle that activates the brake light. The switch looks like this and it's press fit into the lever perch. The brake light is turned on when the plunger is allowed to extend from the end. The problem was that there was not enough friction holding the switch in place and it was allowing that plunger to be out all the time. I wrapped the switch in a bit of masking tape and it's staying put and working correctly now. The Last thing in the front end that needed to be addressed was a marker light on the front above the right headlight that had fallen back. I got that reinstalled with no problem :clap

    Flushing the brake fluid went about the way it always has for me in the past - I ended up spilling a bunch all over the ground, but I got the job done! The old stuff came out rather cloudy so I'm glad I took the time to do this and get some piece of mind.

    Once I got all that done, I fired up the engine and confirmed that all the lights on the bike work correctly. So far, so good!

    Until the next day...

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    The next day, I decided to check a few things on my scooter and found that I had no power at all. I could turn the key and there wasn't even enough juice to turn on a turn signal. And this was with everything working the night before. I tried connecting jumper cables from my car to the bike, but still nothing. I had to head back to work wondering what had gone wrong. I came home and checked the fuses on the battery leads and found that even though the clips had been correctly attached and the plastic cases clipped over the fuse assembly, somehow something had tugged on one of the leads and pulled it off one of the glass fuses. I've decided to wait until everything else is done, but I will change those fuses out for blade type holders and fuses before too long.

    I'd been feeling a bit ill after lunch that day and it took quite a bit of willpower to actually check on the scooter to see why it hadn't had any electric power. Once I'd done that it was pretty much :puke2 for the rest of the night. The next day was pretty much nothing but recovery from the night before with no progress made.

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    That brings us to Saturday which was technically yesterday. I was going to swap out the vacuum lines, but then I looked at them closely and found that they're pretty new and U.S. made. Then I was going to replace the fuel lines, but I found pretty much the same thing. They were all really decent. Now, the fuel filter was a different matter (it was disgusting), so it got swapped out. I also filled the tank up to the top and was happy to see that the fuel gauge actually works!

    It was getting late by now as I'd taken my daughter and girlfriend out to lunch, but there was one last thing I wanted to get done sooner rather than later. I wanted to get those valve stems replaced. I went out and got a couple of valve stems and a C clamp after watching this video (thanks again, tortoise2) and got to work. The guy on YouTube video made it look much easier than I thought it was, but that's just my take on it. Anywho, the tire was off the bead so I rolled the scooter around a bit to get it seated and that worked. I was able to air the tires up again with a $10 12 volt compressor from Walmart. Having set the tires to 29 PSI front and 32 PSI rear, there was only one thing I could think of to do...

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    Yep, I took my scooter for its first test ride :deal

    No, I didn't try for top speed, steepest lean angle, or anything else like that. I just had to take it out and make sure it works at a basic level and I'm glad to say that it does - All the lights work, the front and rear brakes work, and the whole drive system works :clap

    All that's left now is to change the engine and final drive oil, check and adjust the valves, add the replacement mirrors, re-install some body work, and possibly tweak the carburetor a bit. Then it's just a simple matter of an inspection and registration before I get to take this scooter all over the place :wink:

    Thanks go out again to everyone who's followed along and given advice and insight! I'll be sure to keep posting as more progress is made :thumb
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  6. creighta

    creighta Been here awhile

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    Congratulations and condolences. Congrats on the satisfaction of figuring it out.
    Condolences on the fact that you now have a scooter. They are addictive, especially the 150s. Fwiw don't let the Chinese scoot turn you off to all scooters in a year or two, they are high maintenance, but great beginner bikes before dropping $4k+ on a big name.
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  7. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    cool glad it works and hope you feel better soon. Are you certain it was food poisoning and not one to many bears:huh ? LOL Sorry I mean beers. :freaky:lol3. Once you ve got the paper work this is going to be the best 35 bucks you ve even spend.
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  8. ParrotheadJeff

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    OK, it's way too late to write up the whole post like I was going to, so I'll have to come back and write that tomorrow/later today/ASAP :lol3 That said, I still wanted to answer the people who answered me :thumb

    Thanks! I hope I like this machine - it's fun to work on, should be fun to ride, and it gets great mileage. We'll have to see what happens as time goes by.

    Thank you as well :D No, I hadn't been drinking at all - I never drink during the work week :1drink I just really can't wait until I've got this thing legally on the road :clap
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  9. JerryH

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    Glad you're getting it going. I'm assuming the coil has a spark plug wire attached to it, probably behind that air duct where I couldn't see it.

    The PAIR system serves no purpose, other than to satisfy the EPA, and can cause some running and starting issues. It is called the Pulsed Air Injection System, and injects air from the intake system into the exhaust, leaning out the mixture in the exhaust causing it to run hot, and usually backfiring. It is controlled by engine vacuum, and there are several places where a vacuum leak can occur. I have always removed them and plugged everything on every bike I ever had that had one, and they always ran better.
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  10. klaviator

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    I'm glad to see that everything is working out. I'm sure you will upgrade some time in the future but starting out with a cheap Chinese scooter is a great way to start and learn something about scooters and scooter maintenance. Thanks for documenting it all, it's been very interesting. I hope you enjoy the scooter and have some fun rides on it.:ricky
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  11. ParrotheadJeff

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    Yep - there's a lead to the spark plug & going right to where you can't see it - sorry about that. I know about the air injection - it's similar to the system on my V-Star. I'll probably yank it off the bike eventually, but I just wanted to get this thing on the road as quickly, easily, and cheaply as possible and I didn't want to make a blocking plate for the PAIR system port next to the valve cover :1drink

    Great to see you here - thanks for stopping by! I've read through a bit of your writing & it sounds like you've been having a blast, too :D I figured I couldn't go wrong for $25 and I could learn a few things. So far, it's been pretty easy. I'll have a couple of updates soon! I've just been really busy with the bike, my daughter, work, life, etc. and I'm so tired I've fallen asleep at the keyboard a couple times.
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  12. ParrotheadJeff

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    WOW - Do I ever have an update :D

    So, things have been a bit hectic. Aside from my food poisoning, my daughter (7 months old and CUTE!) has had to go to the emergency room twice in the past couple of days due to a really nasty cough and fever. We were worried about RSV, but it looks like it's a combination of a sinus infection and teething - she's got her 5th tooth coming in. She's on antibiotics and alternating ibuprofen/acetaminophen. All should be good, but I just haven't been able to keep up with my blog or this thread. Thanks go out to everyone here for your patience :thumb

    Getting back to the whole scooter thing... Sunday I took the time to check the fuel and vacuum lines. Both look to be pretty darn new and US made. I disconnected all the vacuum lines at each end and cut just a bit off to give a new connection. I also went ahead and replaced the fuel filter as the old one was kinda cloudy and leaking at a seam. Once all that had been done, it was finally time for the oil changes. My hands were pretty filthy and disgusting, so I didn't get any pics of that.

    There are plenty of good videos on YouTube on how to do scooter oil changes and that's where I learned. Actually, here's the video I used:

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    The engine oil came out looking pretty good and there was plenty of it. The screen looked clean and I didn't see any metal chunks or glints anywhere. Not too bad :D

    The final drive oil was a bit different. It didn't look too great and there wasn't a whole lot of it, either :bluduh Yeah, but it's not a really big deal - this is a $25 scooter after all :deal

    I put decent 15w-40 dino oil in the engine and Yamaha 80w-90 GL4/GL5 in the final drive since I had it hanging around for the final drive in my V-Star.

    The next thing I did was to take off the drive train cover as I wanted to see why my kick start felt a bit weird, I wanted to get the numbers off the belt for when it needs to be changed, and I wanted to check the condition of the belt to make sure it wasn't going to disintegrate on me in the next couple weeks.

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    I made sure to get a pic where I could read all the markings on the belt.

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    And then I took another pic with everything apart just to show people what's in there.

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    I found out I really should invest in some better tools :dog

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    And then I found out why my kick start didn't feel quite right. Check out the bushing next to the gear :huh

    I just took the kick start off for the time being. I'll get a new one eventually, but it's just not a priority right now.

    All I had left to do at this point was to order mirrors (they've been ordered, but I'm dealing with shipping issues), check the valves, get the temporary registration, safety inspection, and get it registered.

    But then I had a thought... The valves don't sound bad and I still have the left side mirror which is the only one legally required...

    I took the title down to the DMV to get the temporary registration, but that didn't go as planned. They told me I didn't need a safety inspection based on the year of my vehicle and I got it registered instead :clap
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    I went home and attached the plate, but didn't have time to reassemble a few things needed before I took it out on the road before I had to get to work. I went back during my lunch break and got a few things put together. The air filter is on, but the storage tub under the seat isn't in and there's no floor mat. Also, due to an issue with the lock on the "glove box" under the handle bars, it's being held closed with duct tape :evil

    Sammy Hagar's song "Bad Motor Scooter" was playing in my head along with thoughts of "kick the tires & light the fires" so I got the motor runnin' and headed on the highway (well, surface streets, but work with me here!) and had a blast!

    Yes, the carb still needs a bit of tweaking and I should probably increase the idle speed because it doesn't really like to idle when it's cold. Yes, I still plan on checking the valves. I also need to buy some screws to replace some which have gone missing. But I'm having too much fun to let that all get in the way of riding for a while :ricky

    Some of the things I've noticed since yesterday afternoon are:

    1. Acceleration could be described as gradual or stately, but is completely adequate for around town
    2. Maneuverability in tight quarters at slow speed is freaking amazing if you can get yourself to turn your head and the bars as far as the machine will allow you to
    3. The brakes are actually really darn good!
    4. It's nice not really worrying about scratches, dings, etc.
    5. The center stand really comes in handy for working on the machine or when parked on a hill. The side stand is still pretty nice and convenient if I just have to run in somewhere really quick
    6. I'm still waiting for the fuel gauge to move. I started yesterday with a full tank (about 1.5 gallons) and I've gone about 15 miles. The needle still hasn't budged.
    7. The floor and grocery bag hook are downright handy for bringing things home from the store
    8. The speedometer appears to be as optimistic as someone buying $1000 worth of lottery tickets. I'm looking forward to finding out real speeds with a GPS sometime soon
    9. I can't quite put my finger on why, but this thing is just a whole lot of FUN :super
    Thanks again for sticking around and I'll be sure to post updates as things happen and milestones pass. Have a great day and ride safe everyone :thumb
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  13. klaviator

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    Great update.

    This one statement especially stood out. Yes, riding a small scooter has a tendency to put a shit eating grin on your face:wings

    After over 2 years and 10,000+ miles on my Super 8 it still has that affect:happay

    Enjoy your scooter and don't be in a hurry to move on to a bigger and "better" scooter.
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  14. Wentwest

    Wentwest How's that work?

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    I agree with what Klaviator wrote. A 150 is about perfect for city streets. A 250 is equally perfect if you ride on busy freeways. On regular, light traffic freeways a 150 will work fine, unless you are well over 200 pounds. Keep the tires aired up to 28 or so, maybe a pound or 2 more in the back. There's a temptation to look for a bigger machine, but they are not as nimble and responsive as a 150. That ability to dart and dash is hard to find in a bigger machine.

    Just remember, NO ONE SEES YOU! You're invisible now. Don't count on anyone doing anything logical. In a little fender bender they get annoyed, you get dead.

    Head up, eyes open, and off you go.
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  15. ParrotheadJeff

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    Thanks! I think I'm going to keep a scooter around no matter what happens with other bikes - it's very practical and fun! I don't think I'll want or need a bigger scooter so much - I live in a small town in rural Utah and a 150cc is just about perfect :wink:

    I can totally agree :D I actually weigh about 300 pounds (I'm working on reducing that soon) right now, so this is going to be strictly an in-town machine. Besides, the closest freeway is about 60 miles away :lol3 The only bigger scooter I'd want would be a Big Ruckus, but I don't want to spend that much. It just looks like it would be great for the dirt roads around here.

    Oh, I know I'm invisible - I've got almost 2 years and 15,000 miles on my V-Star 650 (most of that in Las Vegas) so I'm used to thinking for all the cagers around me :1drink That said, I noticed today that I seem to have gone from nearly invisible to negative visibility - people see me even less on the scooter :huh

    I'm thinking I may have to see about possibly re-painting the beast before too long though - It was cheap enough and there's enough scrapes (and a bit worse) on the plastics that it might turn into a decent rat-rod type machine...

    No matter what though, I'm gonna have FUN :deal
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  16. ParrotheadJeff

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    OK, it's finally update time again :D
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    It's a long story about what went wrong in the process of getting them, but the mirrors are here :clap
    Here’s a head-on shot of my scooter to show what it looks like at night. Actually, there’s been a minor change. See where that marker light should be right next to the starboard headlamp? See where there’s a noticeable glow from within the bodywork a little ways below and to the side of that? It’s just to the left (photo left – scooter starboard) of the wheel and fender. I took a few minutes and got that marker light back where it’s supposed to be. Again :bluduh
    Getting back to talking about the new mirrors, let’s refer to the next two pictures for a couple of moments.
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    I think the way the running lights and turn signals work on these mirrors is pretty strange. The amber/yellow light you see above is actually a running light. It’s on anytime the engine is running.
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    Now, do you see that little red LED that’s lit up just to the right of the running light that’s not lit up? Yeah, that tiny little red thing is the turn signal. If you just went :huh then you had the same reaction I did. I figured that either what’s actually the running light would just flash as a signal or that it would be the turn signal and the LED would be the running light. This seems just a little :loco to me.
    Oh well, at least I have TWO mirrors and the lights in them actually work even if they provide a better view of my elbows than they do most of the road behind me :lol3 I’m still good to go and I’ll keep on riding :ricky
    One other thing I have to report is that I've managed to figure out what the speedometer error is! I used a GPS speedometer app on my iPhone, so take this for what it's worth.
    At an indicated 25 MPH, I'm actually going 21. From there up through indicated 50 MPH (actual 45 MPH), it's all a simple 5 MPH difference with the speedometer reading 5 MPH too fast.
    Have fun and keep riding everyone :deal
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  17. ParrotheadJeff

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    I think I'm going to make a priority out of getting the kick start on my scooter working again.

    The battery was very low for some unknown reason when I went to leave work to go to lunch. The engine cranked a bit slow, but fired up OK & I headed toward home :ricky A couple blocks later, the engine stopped and the battery was too weak to crank it over again :bluduh So I started pushing :baldy

    It was only about a mile and a half to my place, but that's a lot further than I usually care to walk even when I'm not pushing a scooter. It also took up about 2/3 of my lunch time just getting the scooter home and put onto the charger :dog

    Oh well, whatchagonnado? I know I could use the exercise (even if it was annoying) and the scooter fired up OK when I got it home and put it on a set of jumper cables from my car so at least it's something easily fixed :deal

    Yes, I'll be sure to post when I finally get the kicker reinstalled :D

    Have a great day, everyone :freaky
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    Reposado1800 Juicy J fan!

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    FWIW The kickstart on these scooters is a joke. I am running a good battery from walmart. The original cheap Chinese batteries are horrible and not worth keeping even if the work at the moment.
    Biggest chore is running it often enough to keep the carb clean. The pilot jet will plug up easily as it is soooo tiny.
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  19. ParrotheadJeff

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    Thanks for the reply :D

    This is actually a Die Hard battery, but I've had to refill it with acid and re-charge it. It seems to be doing well for the most part. This is the first time it's given me any trouble after I refilled it and I have a feeling a bit of water from riding in the rain might have gotten into the wrong place and drained it a bit. I stuck it on the charger and gave it a full charge tonight, so we'll see how it goes tomorrow :wink:
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  20. Domindart

    Domindart Scoot'in on......

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    Hey bud! I think you posted over at Itistheride and just wanted to say hello! just registered here... :freaky Very nice build up.

    Scoot on!! :p3rry
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