My First Verigo & TRS Rides

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  1. motobene

    motobene Motoing for 46 years

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    The nationals brought some bikes out I have not been able to get close to yet, much less ride.

    I stared at the details of the Vertigos and TRS bikes in TX and KS a long time, and later got to ride one of each.

    The Vertigo was a 250 with flywheel weight. Very nice power. The handling was fine and everything worked. Gear box was quite stiff compared to a Sherco. Good clutch. The suspension was surprisingly firm.

    The TRS was a standard 300 model with Dell'Orto carb. Power was 300-ish, but not too abrupt. Very nice feeling bike. Very good clutch. Suspension felt plush. The front brake seemed entirely normal and not unusually powerful as some have said.

    Both of the above bikes have front-end geometry (trail spec, specifically) that imparts less steering reaction torques during the small waggle corrections done with the arms compared to Sherco and GasGas. I did not find that objectionable, just different.

    There isn't much difference, really, between all the modern bikes, as the design has evolved to settle into a tight pattern. I'm very impressed with the quality of all the bikes we have available today.
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    2whlrcr gooligan

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    So it's which ever color you like the best?
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    Or BNG?
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    motobene Motoing for 46 years

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    For eyeballs-on the Vertigo is fascinating. In terms of feel, I preferred the TRS by a little bit. Overall I prefer the motor and handling feel of the Sherco-Scorpa design.

    But all the moderns are top notch, so it comes down fine nuances of what giggles the gonads, and that gets into psychological mystery territory.

    Despite Daesh wanting to kill us all for simply not being their kind of diseased, this is the best time ever to be alive regarding trials hardware. Live it!
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    A gentleman in Virginia got tired of me asking questions about his TRS so he offered to let me ride it. Not wanting to scratch it I didn't ride it on anything hard but noticed a nice power plant that was a bit less quick reving and more flywheel effect feeling than my 16 300 Sherco. Felt pretty good. Better? Hard to say. What's your flavor?
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    motobene Motoing for 46 years

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    I rode the standard TRS, which comes with the Dell'Orto PHBL 26 carburetor. That's just a great, simple carb and it provides less perky power than Keihin PWK 28.

    The base model TRS correctly targets the needs of most riders in not being too hyper. TRS has a 'race' model if one desires a but more perkiness.

    The Sherco 300s all come with Keihins and are especially powerful. A flywheel weight can tame them a bit. They sure are fun to ride, however!

    Given the Sherco motors are above-average powerful, that makes the 250 option in that brand especially appealing.

    Nevertheless, the majority will continue to buy the potent 300s, have their fun, and learn throttle restraint when traction is sketchy.

    Also, the 250s, which often are ordered from Spain in lower numbers, tend to sell out quickly. When decision time comes there are often only 300s remaining.
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    2whlrcr gooligan

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    So I'm starting to feel the new bike bug again. Anybody else have direct experience with both the 17 TRS and Scorpa models? Currently on a 15 GG 250 Race and will stay with a 250. I purposely left out Sherco, because I don't like blue.:-) As I stated earlier I could have rode a 17 Sherco 250 factory and should have taken the opportunity. Hopefully at the next trials I may get to bum a ride on something.
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    Bum a ride for sure. You really need to decide for yourself. All the bikes are well sorted but are different enough so that hopefully one model really speaks to you.
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    motobene Motoing for 46 years

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    About color, what we like or don't is fascinating.

    I was a red-white-silver guy a long time. I don't like black, especially on engines, swing arms, etc. But if I had a nice black bike it might grow on me, same as how the glowing blue and bright yellow and silver of Sherco has now become very appealing to me.

    Perhaps we should be blind when riding and choose bikes only on how they feel to us.
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    Try them both if you can. I did and the power delivery and clutch of the Sherco (or Scorpa) sold me.
    The TRS was real nice too, but I hated the clunky shifting and wasn't sure how much of the GG kickstart deal carried over. I can kick my Sherco over without giving it a second thought.
    The Scorpa seems a bit wider at the saddle than the Sherco, but not real sure about that either.
    I could be very happy with any of them, but all three had some different personality.
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    The GG and TRS kickstart gear parts, can be interchanged.... My Scorpa is a dream to start compared to my GG.

    The Scorpa is wider and taller in the saddle compared to my GG, but you get used to it pretty quickly
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    Fwiw, while the vertigo technically has a half moon pawl, it feels nothing like the GG to start. It feels like a full gear to me, and the kicker isn't designed with the footpeg as an interference point.

    And if you want thin at the saddle, nothing else is close to the vertigo.
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    2whlrcr gooligan

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    I am interpreting that the latest gen of Scorpa and Sherco Factory are identical except for the rear shock and color.
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    2whlrcr gooligan

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    Vertigo is the coolest looking IMHO, but it's just a little too far out there for me and I base this on no hard facts, but I think if any of these companies aren't going to make it, it will be Vertigo. I didn't think GG would go down in flames, I don't really want to buy another bike, that isn't going to be supported well.
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    Norman Foley Devotee of the Husqvarna

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    No... Scorpa and Sherco have different frames, tanks, airbox and rear fenders. The standard models have different forks and same shock. Factory models have same forks, different shocks.
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    2whlrcr gooligan

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    Ok, I can see the difference in the frame bracing up around the head tube and the tank shapes. Does the Scorpa have an older version frame? Geometries the same? Not that I could tell the difference between a 1/2 degree.
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    Mike, if you're going to Elmwood, perhaps Jesse will show up with his TRS. That's the only TRS I've seen and I don't know him well enough to know if he's letting people take it for a test spin. I'm pretty sure Mitch Littlefield will be there on his Scorpa. I'm not sure of the displacement though. If you can hold your nose long enough, I'm sure Ralph would let you ride his Sherco 250 but I think that's a '16. You might contact Ron to see what he'll be taking. He might have something new for his son. You're welcome to ride my '14 ST 3.0 (it only has a little blue on it) but I'm afraid that wouldn't help you much with the newer bikes. :D
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    motobene Motoing for 46 years

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    I don't know EXACTLY, but ride experience would have me believe the differences between Sherco and Scorpa are stylistic, and Sherco may have chosen their approach to distinguish the brands while doing something I like very much: NOT having one brand as superior to the other. There is no one brand as budget and the other, premium.

    It comes down to perception is reality, me thinks, as practically speaking we have Shercos if a different color. That's not a bad thing because they both are a winning combination.

    There are a few mechanical differences like Reiger versus Ohlins shocks on the Factory models.

    I like the Reiger a touch better, personally, because the Ohlins I think is on the slow side of optimal until it is well broken in. But since I prefer glowing blue, bright yellow, and silver slightly, I get the Ohlins.

    The standard Scorpas have one other mechanical difference: Sherco bought up the remaining stock of Marzocchi 40mm forks slated for some pre-fall GasGas models. That latest Marzocchi forks work great and you get the better SKF seals.

    The Sherco-Scorpa Factory models with 39mm Tech forks also have aluminum stanchion rods, so please use Jitse fork protectors with aluminum-rod forks! The surface coatings are very hard, but a rock smacking them will yield the substrate... right where the seals slide.

    The standard Sherco gets the the steel stanchion-rod Tech forks, which work great and are less ding prone where the seals slide.

    Other details like the Scorpa has more rounded subframe corners around the air box than the Sherco, which is flared there. Not sure if there is and appreciable size difference.
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    Thanks
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    2whlrcr gooligan

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    I rode with Tom and Mitch at Smage's. Mitch was on a 125 and Tom a 250. I believe both were 17 Factory's Sherco's. I'm sure I could have rode both, but just didn't ask. Tom wasn't sure if he was going to Peoria. I called Ron and he said he was picking up another TRS, but I think it was sold. I know Jesse was letting people ride his TRS at Franklin's last year, so I'm sure if he's there, rides will be available.

    Guess I might have to reactivate my GG ad, or just wait until next year, I'm flakey like that.

    Edit: Just talked to Tom, Mitch was on a 16 125 Scorpa Factory.
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