My First Verigo & TRS Rides

Discussion in 'Trials' started by motobene, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. heffergm

    heffergm Been here awhile

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    There are three being ridden in NETA. One in intermediate and two in advanced. What do you want to discuss?

    Beyond those I know of a few in Canada and few others scattered around North America. I see a lot of them in European championships, as well in Japan.
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  2. fano

    fano here and there

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    We have six of them in our local club WTA and everyone seems to like them.
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  3. Grooster

    Grooster Face Plant Specialist

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    We have 3 Vertigo riders in AVTA. 1 Master, 1 Sr. Expert, & 1 Intermediate. Great bikes, well made! I've heard a 4th Vertigo (Ice Hell) is joining the group, too. I think he'll be riding Sr. Amateur.
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  4. Harry Potter

    Harry Potter Been here awhile

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    Well i had nothing in particular to discuss, just like dropping eaves. I would guess from here that Vertigo riders take their Trials ridong very-very seriously. I haven't seen anybody say though that once you have FI you can't go back to a carb.
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  5. motobene

    motobene Motoing for 46 years

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    Again, at tech inspection at the TX nationals, the majority of balky starters were FI bikes.

    I like the idea of playing with maps, but the stark simplicity of carburetors appeals.
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  6. Norman Foley

    Norman Foley Devotee of the Husqvarna

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    Mike said Freixa's Montesa took ten kicks to start cold, when they visited at the Tryals Shop Tuesday. Fuel for that bike comes from Spain.
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  7. motobene

    motobene Motoing for 46 years

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    Wonder why that is, and if riders learn to position the throttle 'just so' and other tricks to not have balky starting?

    One of the mapping tricks to reduce hyperactive on and especially off, to not have the sudden braking typical to the 2005 4RT, is to provide more fuel at and off idle. Not sure how a Freixa bike is mapped, but I suspect it's not for reduced emissions.

    FI in cars results in very good starting, but cars have far more sensors and much more code in the ECMs.
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  8. jonnyc21

    jonnyc21 Trials Ninja

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    I would guess that Freixa's isn't standard, most 4RT's are a don't touch the throttle or you will have more issues starting.

    If they don't start in the first 2 to 4 kicks they often need a rest, witch is at least 2 more pushes through the full motion of the kick starter with the kill switch pushed (or magnet off) before a second attempt at starting witch can be 2 more kicks (pushes). So an easy 8 kicks if it doesn't start first try.
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  9. heffergm

    heffergm Been here awhile

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    Freixa's 4rt is about as close to stock as Bou's is.
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  10. jonnyc21

    jonnyc21 Trials Ninja

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    I had the impression that Freixa's is a modified version of the 300RR and that it was quite modified, however I wouldn't know what modifications it has other than programmable throttle body though I could make some educated guesses.
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  11. laser17

    laser17 Long timer

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    I wonder if it has the ultra-trick & and uber expensive solid Tungsten crank that Toni's bike has?
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  12. Norman Foley

    Norman Foley Devotee of the Husqvarna

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    No minimum weight in AMA unlike FIM, so probably lighter than Toni's bike. Mike said there is lots of titanium parts. Marc offered to let Mike ride it, but by the time he was ready... they had loaded up to leave.

    I may have not gotten the story straight, but Mike said Marc's minder is a pig farmer back in Spain and doesn't even own a motorcycle, but rides really well. There wasn't anything in the shop sections he couldn't ride, although Marc would yell at him along the lines of "You're going to die!" or something like that in Spanish. Mike's limited Italian is better than his Spanish, so he wasn't sure! I wish I didn't have to work that day.....
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  13. motomofo

    motomofo Been here awhile

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    From the exterior, Freixa's bike isn't nearly as trick as Bou or Fujinami's bikes. I doubt it has the legendary unobtanium crankshaft that is rumored to be on lease to the Repsol team from Honda. Shan Moore's magazine reported that the engine is the same one Freixa used last year, and used the year before by Cody Webb. A true 300, if I remember correctly.

    Probably closer to the Montesas ridden in the Trial2 class?
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  14. Norman Foley

    Norman Foley Devotee of the Husqvarna

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    Once again... apologies for the derail!:y0!
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