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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by ChemEng, Nov 9, 2012.
Another Wee ridin' member of PGR...
If only a KLR showed up and joined us...
Same bike and gear as myself. Showed up at the last moment ( actually rode in in with the bike pulling the herse trailer). No one asked me any question and I was polite to everyone. The pace on the ride was quick and the riders I was with were skilled. There were many riders on the route I can't vouch for.
I did not feel excluded and I didn't try to see my way into anything.
I have been to numerous PGR missions on my wee, with my friend on his GoldWing, and have never had even a single comment about "real bikes". As a matter of fact, they have been very open to anyone who is there to support the cause. I wear a full face helmet and textile even on my RoadGlide
I suggest that y'all get over your self imposed discrimination theories, and remember the purpose of the rides, not the appearance of the riders. Sure, there are riders that don't know what they're doing, it's not a performance ride, it's a ride to honor a veteran.
I used to ride my Harley with a group of sport bike riders in California, I dould out-ride 75% of them in the twisties, and always did, but no one ever complained or made fun of another, because we were there to ride, at our own pace and our own level. I've also ridden my Bergman with Harley riders and been both faster and safer than them. You know what, I don't care! They're all riders, they're all doing what they believe to be an honorable thing for veterans and the families of vets, get over the type of bike, the style of cloths, tats or not, beards or not, the point is to honor a vet.
Rant over, than you for your patience....
It is not about the patriot guard it is to ease the pain of the family and friends, and perhaps ease their own personal pains. . If the families loss is eased by having the guard there, then good for them.
I have attended one funeral with the PG there. It was obvious the family appreciated the show of comradeship. The VFW did a 21 gun salute. They gave the spent cartridges to the family. They will keep them. The patriot guard left with a lot of noise. Same thing. One of them said lets make some noise to let hell know they do not get this soul.
And 2 for motorcyclists. One was a co worker in a patched club. His widow and kids took comfort in all present. I did not not fit in, yet I was welcome and I felt better and they felt better. Same show of noise for their fallen brother.
The other was a group of guys that liked to ride and camp and party. No uniforms, no patches. But the exact same bond and group easing of pain. And same noise.
When people are under stress they act funny. You have no way to know what personal demons each of these riders carry with them. So if they act strange to you, well it is not about you.
if you get no benefit, then you probably should find what works for you.
I was honored to be a part of each. Even if a BMW makes no noise.
That or a 250 Ninja.
Why is it so hard to understand the word combat? It means a firefight... I presume you are targeting your challenge to me. I was a scout pilot for 2nd/17th Air Cavalry attached to the 101st ABN division. I saw lots of 'combat' because of the nature of the job. That means shooting at targets and they shooting at me. 4/69-10/70. LZSally and Hue Phu Bai were my bases. The Ashau Valley north to the DMZ was my AO. I was flight class 69-7 and my callsign was Condor 13. You can probably google it.
Fuck you too, you bullshitter...and that is what you are. A worthless bullshitter.
Second to last bike is me on my KLR650 (9:52). Rode from kansas to cincinatti for Matt Maupins funeral.
Good to see you on the KLR...
RIP, SSG Maupin... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Maupin
Some folks my not realize that PGR participates only when invited by the family...
My last PG ride was such a fiasco that I have never gone back as it was just too embarassing.
Evidently the Road Captain was supposed to meet with the funeral director prior to the funeral to ascertain the route from the funeral home to the cemetary. He evidently "forgot" to do that. So the morning of the escort, 20 PG members and their rides are lined up at the funeral home. At the conclusion of the funeral the casket was placed in the hearse, which was lined up immediately following the motorcycle line. We all pulled out and headed on what we thought was the route to the cemetary.
I am towards the back of the line when we made a left turn, onto what we thought was the route. Well the motorcycles turned left, the hearse and cars carrying families went straight. Of course the ride captain is not paying attention and just keep going straight, never saw the hearse fail to turn. When he did notice, he decides it is a good idea to have the motorcycle line pull a U-turn and race after the hearse weaving in and out of traffic. When the motorcycle line finally catches up with the line of cars we all go ripping past the funeral procession and take "our place" back at the front. As we are ripping past the cars carrying family member their faces are registering shock and dismay.
It was embarassing that a retired military member, as road captain, could not coordinate such a simple thing as an escort. Once we took the wrong route we could have easily continued on to the cemetary using our route, which would have put us there before the funeral procession. We could have then set up our honor line and presented our salutes and honors as the cars arrived. This would have actually looked like it was planned.
But no, our idiot ride captain had to make us all look like morons. I actually did not stop at the funeral site, but just kept going when everyone else pulled into the cemetary. I was just too embarrassed. That is the last time I rode with that group.
I am all for the Patriot Guard, as they escorted my son-in-law's remains when he came home from Iraq. They did a great job, and they made me proud. Our current group however is just a mess.
Ouch. I can't say I disagree with your assessment. If you didn't, maybe relating this experience to the local or state level leadership might open up some eyes. Even with enthusiastic volunteers sometimes you've got to say "Thanks, but no thanks" to those without the judgement to be in leadership roles before something bad happens.
I did one about 6 months ago in Tampa Fl and had a guy on a trike side swipe me. After watching them duck walk, drag there feet in turns, and the general lack of skill... just like you I have decided to not do any more.
in their defense, I have been riding for 40+ years and I think I can handle a bike as well as most folks. I always got a kick out of doing 180's on a narrow country road w/o getting off the pavement. I always like to try to balance the bike at stops w/o putting a foot down.
2 months ago I bought a Kawasaki Nomad 1600. I find it is much more difficult to ride at low speed than anything else I have ever had. This is the first cruiser I have owned in the last 20 years. These big fat pigs are just harder to ride at parking lot speeds.
If that isn't enough, I find a lot of people riding cruisers are very inexperienced.
I have done a few pgr rides, but haven't done any in the last couple of years. I do remember some of the guys seemed to want to "play army". It didn't bother me.
You should have hooked your turnaround in a driveway, just to rub it in a little!