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Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by Kedgi, Jan 16, 2014.
Well put and I'm learning and trying to teach others.
I agree with a lot of what you say and if you take the time to read my ride report you'll see why. Try searching for the beautiful hand crafted wooden kayaks I build. My point is if you are not a mechanic don't ride this bike far from home. I have learned my lesson. Even a mechanic would have some frustration if he had paid to have fuel issues repaired so he could go home to see his wife at Christmas ( I spent five months riding in south America last year and didn't see her at Christmas, of course you know that if you've read my ride report)only to find out the issues were not addressed and then he had to sit and wait four days for the parts he thought he had paid to fix already.
Yeah, damn KTM's hate milk jug gas.
I'm a Software Developer, not a mechanic and my time is also very valuable. That is why I learn the inner workings of my motorcycles and common problems and fixes for them. That way I don't wind up wasting my precious time in some dive hotel whining to the internet instead of riding a running motorcycle. Even worse with the places I frequently go, though in the US, it'd be easy to wind up alone broke down in the middle of nowhere waiting to die of starvation or dehydration.
Sorry you're having problems and your vacay was blown, but self sufficiency counts for a lot when the stakes are high.
I was looking for a place to post my last dealings with my dealer in Wichita Ks. and KTM. I have been ridding KTM since 07 and have had 2 990's one 530 and 2 690's. all which have been shipped all over the world and ridden
in very severe conditions.
Last week while knocking around in Texas Hill Country I had my first problem after all these bikes and all these miles. Sounds like much the same issue as the person here that is unhappy.
My bike is a 2012 990R with apx 17k miles. It started running poorly and it took me 6 hours to get 155 miles to my truck and trailer.
I am leaving for Mexico the first of Feb and did not want any problems so
it took it to the dealer in Wichita Ks. and yes the filters were indeed dirty.
They were aware that I did not want any chance of other problems and went ahead and also put in a new fuel pump at no cost to me even though the bike was out of warranty.
Sorry for the long story but I feel that not very many people have had the same problems as the above person is having.
Have you ever raced the Baja 1000? Like riding around the world, it means fuck all about your inability to change a fuel filter.
Consider yourself as having fulfilled your mission. If you can't change your fuel filter you should not plan on riding a fuel injected bike across the world. Your point has been made.
A serious costly bike issue! That's rich!
An overland bike should be able to make a 2000 mile trip through the Baja if it was truly and overland bike, without the services of a dealer, don't you think. Or, do you think a bike should have so many issues it's been at three dealers between the Carolinas and Texas like this KTM has.
Not sure what it is you don't understand about paying once, so you have the time to spend Christmas with your family, to have an issue addressed, finding out when you get back that inspite of paying a big price once you're waiting four days for parts, stranded thousands of miles from home, to have the same issue addressed, 500 miles later. You find that funny? I don't think you have the experience to be posting here. read more, learn, post less, is my humble advice to you my friend.
I sense you have a lack of overland experience maybe? I also suspect you were in such a hurry to take childish potshots you haven't read my ride report.
Please I implore you send me a link to your overland ride reports. I want to get a sense of the vast travel experience you have that is making you so critical of my bike problems and problems with an uncaring manufacturer.
Please don't waste the time of a real dualsport overland rider with a recurring mechanical issue on a new bike that could use some help
Sure it can be done in a parking lot. We did my friend's 990 in a dirt motel parking lot in Big Bend. It is a very straightforward repair. It took us all of a couple of hours, never having done one before. I am sure we had less time in it then you have invested in this thread.
I agree the 990 is susceptible to bad fuel issues. It is a known issue and has been since KTM switched to FI almost seven years ago in the States. Your issue is nothing new. Sounds like your trip got ruined by poor service from a dealer more than anything.
This seems like an issue with incompetent mechanics...nothing more. As I said in the other thread any fuel injected bike will need the filter changed at some point.
My Weestrom had the same filter issue. I pulled the tank and after about 25 bucks and an hour of my time had a new filter in place and was back in business.
You had someone babysit the bike while you were home for the holidays. Why not have them run several tanks of gas though it and see if it was fixed?
Did you ever post up here in the appropriate forum to ask the collective what the issue might be? The collective knowledge on this site is much more than any dealer would have.
Just out of curiosity, if you got on the bike and it ran perfectly for the remainder of your trip would you still be bad mouthing it?
Dude, I'm trying to help you TWICE NOW and you haven't responded to either.
I'm starting to wonder if this whole fiasco is either made up, or made out of nothing. Honestly it is starting to seem more like trolling than an actual thread for help.
YOU accusing other people of lacking experience is pretty darned funny! I'm a lawyer, yet none of my KTMs have ever been back to a dealership for anything. I have 4 in my stable at the moment.
You're right. This is not the bike for you. We agree. A person has to understand which end of a screwdriver drives the screw if he's going to own a KTM. The fact that you managed to ride around a number of countries proves nothing. I've ridden around many foreign countries for weeks at a time. I don't do ride reports- time spent maintaining my motorcycles is more important to me than posting pictures and pretending to be a bad ass world traveler.
This thread is about about a whiner whining about a motorcycle he does not understand while providing said whiner an opportunity to broadcast the fact that he's ridden a bike around a number of countries. He doesn't want help. He wants an audience and he's found one.
Gotta disagree here, too, and point you to:
Attitude/expectation matters a lot more than the type of bike. If you are willing and able to repair your $10k + bike after it falls down a cliff (as the folks in the previous thread did), then take it. If not, don't. If you aren't prepared and expect you won't have to, it's a problem if you DO have to.
Love the Heinlein quote though. I'm still working on the "Conn a Ship" part, and hope to not prove the Die Gallantly for a while yet
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Ugh! I had bad gas and had a spare filter with me. No problemo!
I guess you're right I probably should have known my brand new KTM was going to fail four times in a ride halfway across the states and i should have taken a laundry list of spares with me. Its a KTM afterall. Maybe I should have brought a support van to follow me too. should have known that when i paid a dealer to prep the bike for Mexico he would have screwed it up. Its a KTM afterall. What was I thinking? Oh I know I though I bought a reliable new overland bike for a trip to Mexico. Instead, I screwed up, I know where I went wrong, i bought a KTM
Oh and my vacay wasn't blown, guess you didn't read my rr
It appears you're right. What a waste of time.
Could be, but when you did it in the motel parking lot did you wait four days for the parts. Was the bike, brand new still under warranty too. We're you blindsided by four standings in a row on one ride. Is this what we all should expect from KTM? really? Is this what we as consumers of expensive motorcycles settle for? Crawling around in the dirt replacing fuel filters on a new bike?
It's what I'm hearing is necessary if you ride a KTM. Loud and clear. I won't be riding another one.
Hey- I think this is the first time you and I ever agreed on anything!
Guess it wasn't a total waste, after all!
You keep banging on about having done a lot of overland and then asking where the posters ride report is. It's probably not there because they didn't want to write one, lot's of people do amasing things every day without telling a single person about them.
All FI bikes these days have super fine filters that clog easily, that's because it's easier to change a filter than get all that crap out of the FI system, Yes it would be nice if you could run the bike for it's life time without touching a thing but the fact is you do have to.
You stated how there is no or few dealers in Mexico, why then choose that bike to ride in that area if you can't do your own basic maintenance?
$1000 to change the filter? You have been royally fucked up the arse there!
You can change a tyre then you can change the filter and pump if it comes to it, it's not hard or illogical to do
Bikes still in warranty and you've already done 30K on it, well it's not been that bad has it!
Am I a veteran overlander with numerous ride report to my name, no and even if I was you'd never find a RR from me because I'd never write one.
If I'd come across you broken down I'd have helped you anyway I could, including changing a filter for you (you carry a spare right?) oh maybe not because you were going into an area known for dirty fuel on a fuel injected bike with no dealer network available and no experience in basic maintenance, don't blame the bike, blame your crap dealer, blame lack of proper maintenance, blame bad luck but you'd have eventually had just the same problems on any bike, even your KLR will have eventually had carb problems , it just didn't happen that time.
So to close this take your experience and ask your self if you'd have rather have known the basics and just done the change yourself and carried on.
Or just go back to a basic old bike with a carb, then learn how to take the carb to bits and clean it out properly, which I can assure you is FAR harder than a filter change.
Thanks for your help.