My next motorcycle

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by trululu96, Jan 26, 2013.

  1. trululu96

    trululu96 Adventurer

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    Hi im kind of new in the forum and also new in the motorcycle world, I currently own a honda xr 250 r 1996 and I was seriously thinking in upgrading it to something bigger.

    I want a motorcycle that can handle 80% road and 20% soft off road.

    The main things that i want from a motorcycle are:

    -reliability in long trips
    -fun factor in riding
    -I want something with simple mechanics so I can understand them.
    -cheap to keep it running
    -somehow fast

    since im not super rich and in my country motorcycles are kind of expensive (i live in colombia) i tought about this motocycles:

    Honda xr 650 L 2003/4
    Bmw f 650 gs 2003/4
    suzuki vstrom 650 2007/8
    kawasaki versys 650 2007/8
    kawasaki klr 650 2012

    so which one of those would you recomend !

    thanks

    ps: sorry for bad english, its not my mother language
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  2. ph0rk

    ph0rk Doesn't Care

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    But I don't care for thumpers.
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  3. trululu96

    trululu96 Adventurer

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    sorry, so you are suggesting me to buy a thumper ?
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  4. Big Jon

    Big Jon Been here awhile

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    Your English is just fine. Just rememeber what you paid for this advice...
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  5. BobbyLee666

    BobbyLee666 Been here awhile

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    Since the majority of your riding will be on the street, and you want something reliable, I'd suggest the VStrom.
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  6. Kawidad

    Kawidad Long timer

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    No. He was saying he does not like thumpers and recommended either the V-Strom or the Versys.

    Personally, as you describe it I'd say go for the Versys.:freaky
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  7. Jeathrow Bowdean

    Jeathrow Bowdean Been here awhile

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    Hi trululu96. It looks like you picked a good list of bikes to choose from, so look at your "pors & cons" of what each bike will give you, nd look deep down in side of your self to see if you fit the mold for that kind of bike you are picking.

    Example .... I did two motorcycles to fit my mold of what I wan't being that I like bikes, and I can not afford to not have two units. I picked a wee for my 90/10 or 80/20 of normal riding, then I picked up a DRZ for my 50/50 which is my wild side. """Ha Ha.""" . This seems to not be for you, so the one bike thing is what you have to work with if funds dictate what you can afford !!!

    If you pick one of those bikes, I'm sure that later your thoughts could change of what you want for a bike, and this is something that you can ask your self this. "Can you see your self on the bike you choose for the next 2 or 4 years, and if this is correct, then you are much closer to finding what you want/ need/ and can use.

    All the bikes you picked have riliability. They are all fun. They look simple to tinker with. Most are low budget to run. Some are fast depending on your idea of fast. and most are inexpensive to buy. This is just my 2 cents, but find a dealer or shop that you can trust trust, and trust, being that if you need someone to fix something major, then you have that end of the conundrum solved. Having trust in the man is my major factor when I buy a any thing, and I have 14 years of trust with my man/ shop to get thing fixed. "The Major Stuff that is. "

    Find what will work for you trululu96, then pick the unit that comes the closest to that, then find the man or shop to help you when the chips are down. You can't go wrong when you have those 3 things in place !!!

    From Jeathrow Bowdean in Western Canada
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  8. 8lives

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    Ya you gotta go with a KLR,at least that way if we end up together somewhere I'll have someone to hang out with,it gets lonely at biker events when you tweet up on a KLR
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  9. Boricua

    Boricua Been here awhile

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    I just sold my 08 Versys here in the US. I rode 20K miles in three 3 years. Not a lot by some people standard but more than most people do where I live. One of the best on its class as long as you stay on pavement. With proper tires it can do fairly well maintained dirt roads. I was riding on Pirelli Scorpion Trails. It is the most fun in its class. Failry reliable and easy to maintain. A dude in the kawasakiversys forum have a thread of his ride from the Seattle to Ushuaia, and points in South America. I beleive he decided not to came back north. He did 60K miles all over the place ended up selling it and getting a KLR when he could not get it registered in Peru.

    However, the KLR altough a Thumper is the best value, easiest to maintain long term and best off road.
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  10. d2wing

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    Another vote for the KLR. I had an older one and it was one of the best all around bikes I ever had. It surprisingly well on the road. 80 mph and up. All of those bikes are more road bikes than dirt. The KLR is well proven, easy to work on. Parts are more common and the most likely it is the best off road. It is very easy to change sprockets for the type of riding you do.
    For faster road work the others may be better. They are all good bikes and any of them would be a good choice. Nothing says cheap.like a KLR.
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  11. ArmSC

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    Versys or strom...I thought the strom felt better when I was deciding. The bigger frame didnt make me feel as cramped as the versys. With that in mind I would go sit or ride them and see what you think. They both have their fans for various reasons.
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    "somehow fast" makes me lean towards the twin-cylinder engines. None of these bikes are really fast, but the twins just have more oomph.
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  13. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    +1 for Vstrom if any offroad is involved.
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  14. Jeathrow Bowdean

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    It seems that people have move the market towards adventure motorcycles, and the manufacters are more then willing to fill those spots with units to choose from. The age groups between 26-40 want light bikes that they can drive to school or work, yet they like the idea of getting away on the weekends as well. Many people in this age bracket don't see them selves riding around on a big bike like there parents had, so they pick these sport, naked, and adventure units to fill there needs.

    The $8000 to $10 000 range to some people does not seem like much money, but to a young person with a family, house, or going to school, this price tag is a lot. So this has much to do with funds, priority, and being practical.
    They like to look at the motorcycle catagory in styling, weight, price, and of coures being practical !!!

    Light weight dual sports in 125-250cc range at 300 to 350 lbs starting at $4500 to $5000. These units can get you around town and out on a country roads, but they are not super fast out on the open highways. This is not saying that it can't be done !!!

    Mid/ light weight dual sports in the 400-650cc range at 350 to 400 lbs at $5000 to $6500. These unit can do the same thing, but with much more easy then the small uints, and they perform better on the open hyw, and they are good at getting away on the shorter weekend trips. And this is not saying that you can't go for a long trip either !!!

    Mid/ weight dual sport, "Adventure bikes" in the 650cc to 800cc range at 500 to 550 lbs at $6500 to $10 500. These units again can do every thing the other bikes do, but they really shine out on the open road, and they like to travel. Most of them can work in the Gravel road stuff with good results depending on the condition of the road and the operator, but the other units that are listed do much better, and agian. That is not to say that these bigger twin piston units can't do this stuff either. In the right hands, these bikes can perform well with a set of good tires

    Mid/ heavy weight dual sport, "Adventure bikes" in the 800cc to 1200cc range at 550 to 600 lbs at $10 500 to $18 000. do super well at hyw and town. They might seem heavy with those kinds of numbers, but they feel super lite with low center of gravity. And these units perform just like the Mid/ weight bikes. Most people who buy these units like to travel, and they don't seem to mind hitting the odd gravel road or trail once and a while. And like I said, the operator and the way the bike is set up, really dictates where it will go.

    I my self need 2 bikes to fill my needs, and thats the only thing I can do for now, but the day will come that 1 bike will do all when I have less needs, yet that time has not come yet

    From Jeathrow Bowdean. PS: But then again, what would I know about this stuff !!!
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  15. trespalacios

    trespalacios Oh libertad

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    Hermano I'm partial to the v-strom (a la 650 modello 2011 o anterior la llaman Wee) It can do plenty of gravel roads y en viaje largo es suave. Hey I even take mine off road along with KLRs and BMWs. Not to make you feel bad but go to craigslist.org , pick any city and search for v-strom 650 and you will realize that given how much you will spend for that bike in Colombia we'd consider you rich
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  16. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds I'm alive.

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    Bienvenidos Trulu,

    Si lo recuerdos yo, los V-Stroms son hecho en Colombia, no? Hay una fabrica cerca de Cali que hizo los DR650's? Creo que las Suzukis son mas economicas.

    Yo me vive en Medellin para un poco tiempo. Conozco bien las rutas de su pais. Primera vez en KTM640 y dispues en Suzuki Freewind. Monte la KTM de Canada.

    ?Quisierres barata? - la Freewind. Son fuerte y por todos lados. Casi todos los mechanicos saben como arreglarlas. Se usa la mismo motor que DR650.
    Hay un monton de Suzuki en Colombia y son buenas. ?Has visto ellas?

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    Si te gusta una moto divertido y tan chevere para los caminos Antioqian - te recomiendo una typo de moto se llama Super Moto. Y las llantas anchas como SuperMoto son buenas cuando se lluvia. Buscas para una KTM690SM, Husky TE610SM o posiblemente una DR650 con llantas 17".

    Yo no compraria una KLR. Yo monte 2 en Medillin - las dos fuera terrible en su pais. No manujan bien las curvas. La Versys sea major en Colombia que una KLR.

    En fin, si me vivi en Medellin de nuevo, me la compraria una KTM690SM. Con esta moto se puede hacer paseos largas, montar en la ciudad y hacer cosas... ilegales. ;) Y con suspension de 20 o 30cm no necasita a disminuir la velocidad para las policias acostadas.

    Y pardon, no habia practicado espaNol... :lol3
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  17. Jeathrow Bowdean

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    I'm not very good at the Spanish laguage, but I was able to pick out the odd word here and there. The prices that I put up on the post before this, is about the going rate on new units up here in Canada. Some times the odd year end models come on sale, so we end up saving $1000 off of MSRP. I like the pictures you posted of the Colimbia Policia Bikes. It must be tuff to get a round down there at times if it rains from what I've seen of some back road adventures, but I would think that there are some good roads for biking on when things are dry.

    I'm guessing that this was what you were talking about between those bikes I seen in you post. It looks like they have a good selection of bikes to pick from down there as well. Suzuki, KTM, BMW, and I guess a few other models as well !!!
    But then again, I could be wrong.

    From Jeathrow Bowdean in Western Canada
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  18. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds I'm alive.

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    Bike prices are much higher in Colombia than they are in Canada. Some manufacturers more so than others - although in march Colombia and the EU will be operating under a free trade agreement. Perhaps some of the Euro bikes will get cheaper.

    The OP is from Medellin. It's a city in the mountains where it rains frequently. A lot in the wet season. All the roads in and out of there are switch backs, almost all are paved really nicely. (They don't have frost breaking up the road every 6 months)
    Some of the corners get covered in diesel and antifreeze from buses and trucks. I took a spill in the rain on one corner. Bent my handle bars, scratched some plastic.
    A big bike there is expensive and unneeded. Most speed limits are about 80km/h or less. If I lived there again, I'd be getting a Supermoto. Something light for the endless tight corners, something with wide, pavement friendly tires, small for Medellin traffic, fuel injected so it can handle the elevation changes while traversing The Andes and with enough suspension to handle the massive speed bumps on the roads. It's a beautiful country - one would want to explore it. As I mentioned in the Spanish post, if I lived there again, I'd get a 690SM.

    Oh yeah, I think their selection of motorcycles is better than ours.
    On that note, Trulu, some of the older BMW650 bikes in Colombia were Brazillian made and suffered from reliability issues. Careful what you look at.
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  19. trululu96

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    the problem with the ktm its that is way to expensive, other that that i would go for it
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  20. Jeathrow Bowdean

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    Thats to bad that bikes are that high priced down there. It all most takes the full out of it before you even get started, and I thought we were at the top for pricing. "WOW."

    I have seen some pictures of the stuff they have down there dirtydeed, and I would love to see so of it some day. When you said Andies Mountains I just about start dreams about them, and I can picture the switch backs going up and down. Lots of over heated motors, and brakes burnt off if your not care full I bet. The only switch backs that I have seen that would come close to what you are talking about, was in Mexico. They were so tight, that the trucks on the in side lane are allowed to take the out side lanes so they don't fall off the corners.

    I like what you said about the super-moto bikes and I have a dual sport with 50/50 tires for both worlds. I did the Suzuki DRZ 400 S model that I found on sale for $6000 "New." I changed a few thing on it, with a stage 1 power kit, and it is a blast to drive. 330 lbs is pretty easy to operate on and off road, and the air pillow helps me pull off some long days. I just about got my iron butt 1000 mile run on it, but I shut it down at the 830 mile mark. Now that I have the pillow, I plan on the doing it again, with the added 1000 mile on top of that in 36 hours.

    I put on the larger fuel tank and change the gearing for this, so speed will help me pull it off this time. I like the KTM 690 with the weigh factor, and I hope to do some more reading on it so I'm better informed of what I might expect for durability.

    Oh. I'm sorry to hear that you went down on the messed up road of oil and rad fluid dirtydeed. That defianttly is not nice, and I hope that you bounced back from that. I to have had a few, but each of us come out with diffrent ideas of what works and what we have learn. I was very lucky on my up side down ventures, and I have a soft hand on the throttle now.

    From Jeathrow Bowdean in Western Canada
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