My perfect street bike

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by roma258, Sep 5, 2017.

  1. roma258

    roma258 Been here awhile

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    I've been riding for 12 years now and just had a kid, hit my mid-30s, blah, blah, blah time to slow down a little bit maybe. Went out for a labor day ride on the Street Triple and man that bike just eats up twisties. But it's aggressive, not super comfortable and needs to be ridden at 9/10 to reach anywhere close to it's real potential....

    So it got me thinking of what my perfect bike would be. I also own a 1986 VF500, which actually comes a lot close- I love the sit in the bike riding position. The power is plenty, smooth and linear, though I wouldn't be opposed to 10 more bhp. Obviously the components are way behind by modern standards. So ideal bike:

    • 450 lbs wet, or less
    • 65-75 bhp
    • Good suspension, doesn't need to be race spec Ohlins, but well damped with some adjustability
    • Good brakes are a must (abs for added safety margin of error)
    • Comfortable seat, flat if possible
    • Linear motor (must have perfect fueling), preferrable longer stroke. Would like to reduce temptation to rev it out, should be able to enjoy 7/10 pace without feeling like I am not using the best part of the power band
    • Luggage options
    • This is highly personal, but I'd prefer no windscreen, I just hate wind buffeting
    • Decent ground clearance, gotta be able to have some fun in the twisties
    • Under $9k?
    So what fits the bill? I'm really drawn to the new MG V7 iii which apparently solves a lot of the issues with the older models, and I think it looks great. Probably a bit underpowered.
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    By the same token, the Street Twin and Bonnie 120 fit the bill:
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    The rational choice is probably the FZ07, though I respect it, I don't covet it.
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    Ironically, the HD XR1200 might come closest to the platonic ideal of a longstroke sporty standard, though obviously it's a bit on the heavy side. I've ridden the bike and really enjoyed it.
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    Anyway, just a few idle musings. I can't be the only former track day, corner scratching guy that's wants to slow down a little, but still have a capable bike when the road gets curvy.
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  2. roma258

    roma258 Been here awhile

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    The other bike that I really liked when I had a chance to ride it was the Tiger 800. The weight was a bit of an issue, but man that motor is just so silky smooth without demanding your rev the piss out of it each time.
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  3. Navin

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    Go lighter with less HP.

    R3. Add brakes and sprinkle with suspension as needed. Renazco can fix the seat.
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  4. roma258

    roma258 Been here awhile

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    R3 is a neat bike don't get me wrong, but it doesn't strike me as a "slow down and smell the roses" type, quite the opposite. Want something with a somewhat lazier motor/disposition.
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  5. Navin

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    Its not frantic if thats what you mean. For me it was a class of slow down bikes (had the 300/390/2xR3) post SMR950 and a host of far too fast for the street bikes to ride on the street.

    You can lug it around without complaint at 2-3,000 rpm and it just goes. You will not hit 90-115 without effort, which was a compkaint I had on every other street bike Ive had in the last 25ish years.

    The 390 was a frantic, more demanding bike to ride. Not happy unless in the sweet spot above 4500 rpm all the time.
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  6. ARiderX

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    Tiger 800. Love mine. Would get the XRx if I had to do it over. Perfect combination of real world performance (tubeless wheels, 19 inch up front) with everything else that makes my XCx a real pleasure to ride. Smooth engine. Not 'fast', or super sporty, but I always enjoy wringing it out to 10k rpm where conditions allow, because it's not super intimidating. It's not like the "i can die any moment now" of wringing out a KTM 1290 for example, I just enjoy using that power band from just above 5k to where it looses steam around 8,5-9k. Balanced, gentlemen bike, lots of fun and the throttle has a full useful range from closed to WOT :D . The screen however sucks major balls.... Another reason to opt for the XRx, put a fly screen on, lower the bars a bit to remove that bolt upright riding position and it will be closer to a normal standard.

    From the ones you mention (if you're not too tall, which I am sadly, or I'd own one in a heartbeat), it HAS to be the speed twin. Triumph just knocked it out of the park with that one. Nothing special on the spec sheet, but again, a complete and balanced motorcycle for the more 'mature' rider, who want to slow down a little but ride that easily accessible torque.

    Maybe a ducati scrambler to try something else? 90deg V-twin? It seems to me that you don't want to tone it down too much, just get away from finding all that pleasure at peak revs for a high revving engine. Maybe a ducati 821 monster?

    Or a Tiger Sport. Even better than both the XCx and XRx in my opinion. But you are coming from a triumph, maybe time for something drastically different. CB1100? Maybe worth a try.

    Let us know what you'll end up getting! Always cool to know.
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  7. strat10

    strat10 Ready for adventure

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    the new water cooled Triumph motor is unbelievable. Torque for days. I felt underwhelmed by the V7. It was like waiting to accelerate. Yameeha has no soul, and the Harley might be tough to find?
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  8. ARiderX

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    in the yamaha camp, you might want to add an XSR900 to the mix.
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  9. snorske

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    There are loads of bike options in the 7-9k region, but you seem to be all over the board here.
    From an ADV/touring 14k bike (Tiger) to a cheap middleweight naked (FZ07) to modern classics (triumph/motoguzzi).
    You never stated whats the main purpose here? ADV touring, Sport touring, commuting, just Sunday cruises etc.?
    Do you want a classic look or a modern look? Also how tall are you, and 2up riding?

    Naked bikes don't do it for me anymore either (must be an age thing), but they are the generally the best value for performance But bad for touring, 2up and luggage.
    From what I gather though, it seems you want something that inspires you rather than pure performance? If yes I'd rule out a naked bike, especially if you want luggage.
    Bottom line for that HP/price range, unless you go used, nothing will have great suspension.
    So I'd recommend getting a bike that really inspires you, and you can always upgrade the suspension later.

    One option is a modern classic bike like the Triumph Street Twin, Ducati Scrambler or Honda CB1100.
    If you go used, I'd get the BMW RnineT for character and all-around goodness.
    If you want more of a touring bike, the Tiger is good, also the Multistrada or FJ09.
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  10. roma258

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    Not any particular class really, just a bike demeanor I guess. I'm probably at least a year out, so just spitballing a bit. Would discount a heavy touring emphasis, since I've got a young kid and can't imagine going a long tour right now. I think the Yammie triples are out, a kick ass motor by all accounts, but not exactly inkeeping with the goal of slowing down a bit. The CB1100 is definitely on the radar, a bit heavy unfortunately, but can be hard dirt cheap these days and I like the skinny tires (love the skinnies on the VF500, so much more road feel than modern radials). Duc Scrambler is an interesting option. That desert sled could be a great "one bike to do it all". Sounds like I need to test the Street Twin though....good (or is it bad) thing I've got a Triumph dealer 10 minutes away.
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    I vote for XSR700. It may make it here yet so keep an eye out.
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  12. snorske

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    The 14 CB's can be had for cheap. The 17's look fresh tho - slick new tank, LED light, wheels etc its great but expensive at 12k+. Sort of a boring bike and heavier than a Harley 1200 @ 570lbs. The BMW RnineT is 75lbs and the Street Twin is 125lbs lighter! I think many riders are looking for livelier bikes like the Scrambler and Street Twin. Light, torquey fun bikes that aren't tanks. I lane split and deal with urban traffic, so the Honda wouldn't be the best fit. Problem is though I'm tall...the Scrambler and Street Twin have me feeling cramped. I'm in the same timeframe and scope as you, but need to find something that fits a tall long legged rider.
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  13. alekkas

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    Wonder why an sv650 or z650 haven't come up yet? Both can ride how you want. Both come in well under budget so easy to upgrade suspension as you may see fit - though 9/10s isn't the goal - so stock might be fine. Both naked. At least worth a ride to see.

    Otherwise, if the heart wants guzzi then there's your answer.
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    If you live close enough to a guzzi dealer for comfort buy one. There really isn't much else out there quite like it.
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    KTM 690 Duke R
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    dtysdalx2 PITA but useful

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    A cross between the new Suzuki SV650 and DL1000 V-strom would be my ideal bike.

    Lean more towards the new V-strom 1000, like a DLV795 something or other. :lol3

    Maybe a high performance V-strom with fancy suspension? The new GSX-750 in red is nice too but I don't like inline 4 cylinder bikes.

    KTM SMT 795 with mag wheels and 19" front wheel would be cool too. Maybe under 450 lbs and 100 HP.
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    Dr. Breedlove Been here awhile

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    Never buy a bike you don't covet.
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  18. Endorphin

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    If only BMW would make an R600/850RS, about 420 lbs wet... it'd be perfect.

    I'm forced to go insanely fast if i just want high specification components and good build quality. There's so much room for a premium slower bike...
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    Insane choices here:

    XR650R - 310lb, 50ish horses, very fun bike almost no matter what you are doing. Surprisingly good city commuter, too.

    MT/FZ-07 or 09. Great bikes. Comfortable, good naked bike ergos combined with great engines. Looks for '17 up 09's as the fuelling and suspension is a lot better.

    Ducati Scrambler. Lots of fun and very linear engine. If you want linear, ground clearance, and fun then test a scrambler!

    - boingk
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    Gone Troppo Somewhat bemused observer

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    Get the Yamaha MT07/FZ07
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