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Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by Forde, Jan 25, 2012.
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Ok, not I got you. Yea that makes much more since.
First off, the bikes Y'all get over there are much better in the small displacement catagory. Here, any 50 cc Scoot but a couple harder to get high priced ones are limited to like 45 MPH TOPS. Even a 2 stroker. And will need LOTS of mods, mainly expensive hard to find CVTs and such, to do any more. And you are need a M1 License in most states for a 49 cc Scooter unless it has working pedals.
For 125 cc, we hardly have anything. The Kawaski Eliminator 125 is a 125 Cruiser, its very slow though, maxes out at 55-60 MPH or something and is just slow. There are rarley 125 race bikes, spiecally 2 strokers!
Here, anything under 250 cc is considered not even Road Worthy. And for the most part its true. On the open road, you do need that, judging my the bikes under 250 we get are too slow. I think for Freeway, a 250 will do it, but its more enjoyable on a 500cc+. Sounds like your Freeway has a similar limit though, you say 70 MPH? We have 65 MPH with a few 70 MPH in CA, some states like Texas has Rural Freeways with 85 MPH! But, regular traffic flow is 75 MPH. Trucks also are limited to 55 MPH in most areas, but thats only partially enforced. On straight away highways, most Big Rigs are moving at least 65-70 MPH. Hills or twists thats another story.
When your on a long, straight, open road, 150 cc will feel underpowered. I have an Elite 150, works great around town and on backroads. But, hop on the highway, your maxed out, hardly keeping up.
Like right now, my Shadows probably done. The bikes I am considering until I afford a new H-D next summer, HAVE to be over 500 cc minimum, a Cruiser, and V-Twin.
But, I got your law. So if you's 17 and you pass the test theres no limit on displacement, just the provisional terms? Makes sense. 16 just 50 cc. Ok, but I think should just pass test at 16 is ok and get license. But at least 50 cc ok.
Honestly, I think we need a 250 cc Limit here for noobs for 6 months or something. If you ride something bigger, its not a HUGE deal, but you can get a ticket and towed if they see you again. But, it'd suck cause I know they'd make it if you caught then suspend all license, just like violating any other of the terms. So in a way I am glad they don't just wish they could do it without so much extreme enforcing.
yeah you can get tuning parts easily here for scoots, which makes 50cc a lot easier on a 16 year old lol pretty much every 50cc you see is tuned, a tuned 50cc is a good ride for local work even after your are 17 or have your test imo they are a lot of fun
yeah our motorway is 70, fast lane moves about 80 but you can go in the slow lane at 60 on a 125 with no problems. (if you have passed your test).
to be honest, most roads here that arent the motorway arent that straight, which is lots more fun for a start but makes it easier on smaller cc machines too
yeah when you pass your test at 17 you can buy any bike, buy a hayabusa if you want, but you have to get it restricted to 33bhp!
That makes sense. Sounds pretty similar to here, but limits only 65 MPH most places, regular traffic flows 75-80 MPH. Trouble is, idiots go fast in all lanes. Now, there should be that there simple concept, 55-60 MPH right lane, 65-75 MPH most lanes, and 80+ MPH left lane. Thats how the police should enforce it IMO. If a lanes moving at 80 MPH in the left lane, nobody ain't in danger. But, if MR Beemer is doing 85 MPH in the right lane where slower vehicles are doing 55 MPH theres a problem! Same with slowpokes in the left lane, at 60 MPH is either a Road Rage incident waiting to happen, or a 90 MPH Sportcar into a Corolla with an old Asian in it scared to death of driving. THIS is what causes a lot of accidents IMHO. That, idiots that have no buisness possesing a Drivers License, and DUI and Wreckless drivers.
And that makes lots of sense. Yes, a restriction to 33 BHP is ok I think. MAYBE 1 years just a little long, I think more like 6 months like while you have your Permit would be ideal.
For one, what is what like 25 HP at the wheel? Not much. BUT adequet for everything but longer freeway rides. This would keep noobs off the Freeway/Motorway for the most part. Would be better than 250 cc in some way, that a way you don't have to sell your bike, just de restrict it. But, how the F do you restrict a Hayabusa to 33 BHP? Pull all the plugs but 1?
And, I think Y'all have better access to smaller displacement bikes. Here its ALL about BIGGER IS BETTER! EVERYTHING! I mean everybody wants the biggest of everything. Shit, theres people that say real men ride litter bikes, all that shit. And honestly, people actually ask if its safe to ride a 600 cc Motorcycle on the Freeway, powerwise!
Its 33 brake at the wheel you get restricted to! I have ridden some of my friends bikes whilst restricted, and then again after restriction has been removed, and you are getting close to 100mph before you really notice a difference to be honest! Most people get 600s and the manufacturers sell restriction kits through dealers etc for most popular "beginner" models like SV650 etc but any bike can be restricted. They put stops in the carbs, or on newer bikes they do stuff to the computer/CDI etc
Tbh it really is all about big is better in the USA, lol. I had a 1000cc honda firestorm (superhawk in usa) for over 2 years then a Z1000 with 130bhp at the wheel after that. Swapped the Z1k a few months ago for a XT660X supermoto that has about 50bhp and i am having more fun than ive had in years it has really refreshed my love of riding! I dont know if id have another litre bike now, just no need at all. And to be totally honest with the state of the roads in this country atm a sportsbike is just no fun to ride at all unless you like your teeth being rattled out of your head and nearly being thrown off the bike on the rough bits
Pretty funny that people think 600cc isnt fast enough, i had a ZX6-R ninja and that thing was a death machine i saw crazy speeds on it
Thats a very decent law. If you can do 100 MPH with restrictions, thats no big deal at all. Well hell I think the Ninja 250 only has 30-36 HP stock now that I think about it, that can do 105 MPH easy too. Only thing I think is should be 16 to get license if you take the test but other than that its a good law IMHO.
Hell yea man! I don't know whats up with every body and bigger is better! Frekin people buy HUGE Air Conditioning units, WAY to big for there homes just because bigger is better. And they end up short cycling, using way to much power, high initial costs, and premature failure due to this. Its easy to convince your average that the bigger is clearly better.
Your right. You do NOT need a litter bike. Man, people here consider the Harley Sportster a Chick Bike here! Espically the 883! Real men have big $25K bikes that they ride on beatiful 72Degree F sunny Sunday evenings once every few weeks to the bar, and trailor to Sturgis every year when there bikes is set up for touring. Well, the Hells Angles always Road Sportsters. Now the Hells Angles used to be ok IMO, just a bunch of rowdy guys many veterns and such just raisin hell on weekends causin shit. Whatever, now there a huge gang drugs and wars going on. But, they was the real bikers, all them outlaws would have Sportsters and other bikes.
OR, the same thing in the Sports Bike World. Seriously, its all about Liter BIkes!
IMHO, those fucking things are death traps. I road my dad's Gixxer 1000 one time, bard it when my bike done broke down, and it was just to fast. I am a very leasurly rider. I never floor my bikes unless its really necessary and just 1 time to test it. But other than that, I ride to enjoy the ride, and keep the RPMs as low as possible with as little throttle as needed as long as I don't lug the motor. Also averaged 65 MPG on my Shadow. Cruise speed on highway is 5-8 MPH within the limit, about 70-75 MPH. In city 5 MPH over is about all most of the time. BUT, when I was a ridin that there rocket, it has so much power, its honestly near impossible not to open er up and rip! Me, a leasurly rider, was goin like a bat out a hell! Pullin out of my street, I'd do 60-65 MPH in a 40 MPH without noticing! 20+MPH over off Freeway is Reckless driving, the same as a DUI charge!:eek1 On the highway your at 80, why not go 90? And get on the onramp and feel that addrenline keeping it in 1st and 2nd gear! I also got 28-30 MPG.
The riding was okay, but not like my leasurly fun weekend cruises. I'd have more fun on a Ninja 250 in the twisties. An R6 is faser than necessary. Why 400 more cc? Then theres the Busa!:eek1 Thats just crazy.
there is a huge sportbike culture here, when most people pass their test they always want a sportsbike...
people are always getting a cbr600rr, zx6-r or gsxr 600 or similar for a first big bike after they pass their test. but you dont need it, they arent set up for the roads. not the roads in this country anyway, they arent in good enough condition. i have had sportsbikes and they werent good to ride on the road, way to twitchy and set up way too hard. i can tear around on my supermoto way harder because its more suited to the roads.
but everyone gets them anyway because they think they have to to be "cool".. then they ride them 20 miles every other sunday from may-september and thats it for the year... most of them never go out if its wet or damp or cold or windy in any way... i was out yesterday and its been like -3 to -5 celcius all week (i was fckin freezin mind lol)
most people that have them just cant ride them tbh. they dont ride them often enough to get any good, plus because they get them for their first bike and they are so twitchy and fast they are shit scared and never learn/try to push the bike near its limits. me and my friends on supermotos are able to cane them through the bends bigtime
i'd a bandit 400 (didnt restrict it) after my test and it was decent handling, pretty forgiving and not scarily fast. i wasnt afraid to cane it around and learn its limits, then i got a 600 and did the same, then a 1000 etc etc
there was a trackday we went to last year, my mate was booked onto it but his bike was having problems so he borrowed his GF's aprilia RS125 and he was passing most of the sportsbikers in his group through the bends, apart from one or two of them... totally funny seeing a tatty '99 RS125 flying up the inside of a 2011 gsxr through the bend, he had the tyres shredded on that wee thing too haha ill see if i can get a pic of him passing something expensive
those ninja 250s are lovely, id seriously consider one as well as my moto. dont see many second hand here tho, on account of not many being sold new cos people always go straight to 600s. i see honda have a cbr 250 out now too?
the way gas prices are going the future is going to be smaller cc bikes and scooters. u know when you see a foreign country on the news and everyone is on scooters, thats how its gonna be everywhere cos people cant afford to run a car. we can enjoy them now and the world will catch up to us eventually lol although i suppose your gas is cheap enough compared to here
Yea the more poser type riders here seem to ride Harleys. These guys ride only 72F beutiful Sundays maybe every 4th Sunday! Don't know about Sportbikes, I guess we refer to those types as squids, guys that buy a way overly powerful bike and go out a thinkin they's so badass, and ride like maniacs and we all read about them in the paper 24 year old man killed sunday afternoon in 100 MPH motorcycle crash. I have a friend who bought an R6 as his first bike, and he done crashed the think into a house at 80 MPH on his 25 MPH residential street! Causes LOTS of damage, it was like $10-$40K to the house don't remember, but to this day theres still blue paint marks on the side of the wall! Bike was totaled beyond repair. So you think he'd either buy something a little more mild, or just lern to ride better. But, no he goes out and buys a fuckin R1!:eek1 Not just any old R1, but he fuckin turbo charges it, pipes come off for aftermarket, Filters modded, and, you'll too be in disbelieve, but a shot of fuckin Nitrous Oxide on the damn thing!
Yea same thing happens here with Ninja 250s. Big expensive fast Sport bikes get outhandeled all the time buy them. Theres an old story similar to many of us scooterist's, the guy borrows his wife's Ninja 250, he's asking what kind of bike he should buy her!
I love small bikes too. Today I honestly had fun on my Elite. Its fun, just not a tourer. For around town and backroads its great, some offroads, screwin around, but highways are no fun. It does what it's designed to do very well.
How bad are your gas prices out there? Here we run about $3.20-$5 a gallon, usually goes up in the summer down in the winter, also depending on location. Cali is a little more pricey too on account all the shit they put in the gas.
yeah squids your damn right lol all the gear and no idea, wonder how long the R1 will last!!
petrol aka gas costs £1.35 which is $2.14 PER LITRE :eek1:eek1:eek1:eek1
diesel is £1.46 atm which makes it $2.39 per litre.:eek1
a us gallon is 3.79 litres (we use "imperial" gallons which are 4.55 litres) so anyway basically converted into your gallons and litres -
gas - $8.11 per us gallon
diesel - $9.06 per us gallon
it has just gone nuts the last few years. when i passed my car test 7 years ago petrol was like £0.62 per litre and now its over double that. red diesel (cheap for tractors etc its illegal for your car) used to be £0.35 back then and now its like £0.81 which is more than it was for proper clear diesel a few years ago. it was still well under £1.00 a litre until a couple years ago then they started going mad on it.
every time there is a increase in the price of oil, they put it up a few pence a litre. but then when you see that the oil prices have come down, the gas prices dont come down they just stay at the new higher price... funny that? and all the oil companies posting record profits... while the normal person cant get to work or heat their house...
my granny says she remembers when you got 5 gallons for £0.50 those were the days eh but a new car was like £100 back then and a big house was like £3000 lol
Yea squids man! A big part of the reason of all them new laws against Bikers out here.
$8.11 per GALLON?:eek1 HOLY SHIT is all I can say! Man and I thought are summer highs of like $4.50-$5 is crazy! man, how the hell do Y'all go anywhere? I'd be on a 50 cc Scooter if I was there!
I would expect people to just not drive much no more. If that happened here, I'd bet people would actually try to find a more fuel efficient method. In the summers, when the prices near $5 a gallon, every dealer nearly sells out of scooters, Hollister Honda sells out every summer when this happens!
Cause what I think whenever the day somes that we's a runnin out of gas, it ain't just gonna be one day all the sudden we's out, its gonna be very gradual, and the prices will go so high don't nobody but the rich can afford to drive. Then everybody gonna get mopeds and they's gonna make fuel efficient cars. But I don't think it ain't gonna happen for a long time. At least 50+ years or more IMO.
But man, I wander why so high there? Probably just the oil companies? I guess they can do it. They can and people will buy if they all do it.
Yea back in the 70s or so gas was dirt cheap here. There was times when it was like $0.50 and less a gallon. But yea same everything cheaper too.
yeah over the last few years there are loads more scoots on the road, its very noticeable. it used to only be 50cc and 125cc scoots on road, ridden by 16 and 17 yo kids with learner plates whilst they didnt have their full bike licence, like we talked about before. but now there are a lot more mature scoot owners on the road, a lot more maxi scoots and a lot more scoots around with no learner plates on them.
its mostly the government tbh
a litre of fuel costs £1.30 - £1.40, without tax it would cost less than £0.50
also the govt actually doing something illegal with fuel taxation. they add a fuel specific tax called "fuel duty" to the price of the fuel. then there is a thing called value added tax (VAT) here its like sales tax, its 20% and is charged on every product sold in the uk. so they add the fuel duty to the cost of the fuel then they charge VAT on the total amount. which is illegal to basically charge tax on tax. they should only be charging VAT on the cost of the product without the fuel duty.
so if actual cost of gas = 0.50 and fuel duty = 0.50 they should only be charging 20% of the cost of the actual gas product 0.50, but they actually charge the VAT at 20% of 1.00 so they are charging extra vat tax based on the fuel duty tax that they have added WTF
Wow, its just crazy though! Yea I'd expect a jump in scooters when that happens. Now over yonder in Hollister, they sell out of scooters nearly every summer when the gas prices get over $4 a gallon, usually close to $4.50. The types of riders I's seed on scooters, USUALLY older riders. There really are few scooters though. It seems they all pop up in the summer for the most part. Last summer I saw lots of 250 scoots all over town, and many 50s and 150s too.
I think honestly it does pay for it self sooner or later. Well, if you have a big truck at least and get 12 MPG. It'll run $100 or more a tank for 150-300 miles or something. Over there, I'd imagine it'd pay for it self VERY quick with those gas prices.
Here, if the prices go that high I'd expect to see lots of alternatives. Espically long distance commuters. I'd expect more bikes, and many more scooters, and fuel efficient cars. Honestly theres just far tooo many people driving. Population is gonna become a problem. Espically here in Merica, with all these imigration. we have people cross breeding like crazy. Whites are very quickly becoming a minority.
Now, I don't hate other races so much, I just think SO much mixing, immigration, we's gonna have population problems eventually and more. So many people driving. We have very limited fossil fuels left. Espically in CA, we's having energy demand issues. Thays hardly able to fullfill the full load demands in the summers. We have multiple Blackouts round here every summer. Millions of ACs cranking, homes sucking electricity. In the Winter, Furnaces sucking away fossil Fuels in nearly every home. People Commuting 60 miles a day in there 10 MPG Lincon Navigators and Tahoes. And, the population is only rapidly increasing worldwide. Not good. I mean theres just to many people. The chinese becoming richer from the junk they produce, also slowly affording vehicles.
If there was less cars, and more scooters on the roads. It would be much safer, and preserve gas lots longer. So its a good thing. But still, I can not see nearly all of America riding scooters, never.
thought id update this post, i basically didnt do any work on the bullets for aaages but i spent a little time in the shed over the weekend and the red bike is now completely broken down into parts. it was the non runner when i bought them, got it for parts and the mag wheels,
next weekend i hope to have the silver one fully stripped as well and start prepping it for paint, then build it back up and get it going. the silver one was a runner when i bought it. going to get it all back together and sort out the registration before i start modding. dont want to drop money on a big bore kit, inlet, carb, exhaust, filter, tyres, etc or start modding the body/frame until the registration is done.
red parts engine above, silver bikes running engine below.
also i scored this workshop manual on ebay which is a cool rare item to have, pretty hard to find