my winter build

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  1. zipper421

    zipper421 Been here awhile

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    i have to figure out how much travel is in the shock
    so i can get the right hight
    how much travel is in that air shock i gave you i have no way to compress mine
    thanks
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  2. zipper421

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    looking for info on sway bars
    any pics and info would be appreciated
    and yes i looked up everything i could find on here
    thanks in advanced
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    It seems to be right around 4" I will try to get a better measurement.
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    thats cool im going to leave 5 inches of clearance
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    You should be good with 5 or so.
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    </TD><TD class=row1 height=28 vAlign=top width="100%"><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%">[​IMG]Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject: swaybar questions</TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap>[​IMG] </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>I need to put a swaybar on my Triumph Tiger/Sputnik rig. I've riden it two summers now without one but with the long travel suspension I know it would make a huge difference. When I turn right the bike leans left. First question, if I use 5/8 4130 and bend it cold how important is heat treating? Without treating would it just twist out of shape after a few bumps? Second, I can run the bar over the sidecar frame under the body. The normal way puts the brackets under the frame. Will they work on top or are they too thin? Is there a lot of upward pressure? I can make something heavier or fab. a loop to use the regular brackets the way they normally go. If I'm talking like a madman don't be shy, let me know where I'm going wrong. Thanks guys. Carl</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=row1 vAlign=center width=150 align=left>Back to top</TD><TD class=row1 height=28 vAlign=bottom width="100%" noWrap><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=18 height=18><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=center noWrap>[​IMG] [​IMG] </TD><TD> </TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap>


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    </TD><TD class=row2 height=28 vAlign=top width="100%"><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%">[​IMG]Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:24 am Post subject: </TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap>[​IMG] </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Hi Carl,
    Did you check out this topic on this forum?
    http://hpsidecars.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12&highlight=swaybar
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    </TD><TD class=row1 height=28 vAlign=top width="100%"><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%">[​IMG]Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:20 am Post subject: </TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap>[​IMG] </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Bill, Yes I saw your post. It was very helpful and is where I got the idea about bending cold. My main question is about heat treating. Why is it needed? Isn't the chrome moly springy enough without it? I never messed that material before. Thanks, Carl</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=row1 vAlign=center width=150 align=left>Back to top</TD><TD class=row1 height=28 vAlign=bottom width="100%" noWrap><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=18 height=18><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=center noWrap>[​IMG] [​IMG] </TD><TD> </TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap>


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    </TD><TD class=row2 height=28 vAlign=top width="100%"><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%">[​IMG]Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:50 am Post subject: </TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap>[​IMG] </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Heat treating made a huge difference. When I got mine back from heat treating, it had distorted slightly.
    I tried to straighten it out. Need less to say it is still distorted and works great.
    If you were going to try to use one with out heat treating, I would use a larger diameter.
    I don’t think that 5/8 diameter would be springy enough.
    Not sure how large you would need to go to achieve the same results.
    Trial and error method.
    If it was my dollar, I would use the 5/8 and have it heat treated.
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    </TD><TD class=row1 height=28 vAlign=top width="100%"><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%">[​IMG]Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:54 pm Post subject: </TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap>[​IMG] </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Mainly just want to agree with what Bill said. I cold bent my bar and had it heat treated. It did distort a little when treated and afterwards I could not bend it. If its not treated I think it would just bend.

    My original plan was to run the bar between the sidecar body and frame, but ended up going underneath, just wasn't quite enough room. Functionally I don't see where it would matter top or bottom.

    It took a little calling around to find a shop with a big enough oven to do the swaybar.

    all caveats apply, to paraphrase Ralph, what do I know,,,,,I work for the governement,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, [​IMG]

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    </TD><TD class=row2 height=28 vAlign=top width="100%"><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%">[​IMG]Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: </TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap>[​IMG] </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>My swaybar is using 3/4" 4130, with 1/4"x1 1 1/4"x15" arms welded in place and heat treated as per Bill Ballou's suggested instructions on the AOL sidebike99 website. Once heat treated, it appears to hold tensile strength quite well - I don't think my swaybar would have survived the suspension hit it took otherwise in my early summer accident, which bent up the sidecar suspension itself quite badly.

    I've underslung the swaybar itself under the sidecar frame using bearing block ends, rather than the more common eurethane bushing method.. i subscribed firmly to the 'when in doubt build it stout' school of design when it went together.



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    I've got more photo's up of the swaybar buildup on
    http://home.cogeco.ca/~wstrong/index7.html if you are interested.

    I hope to be able to recycle most if not all of my swaybar setup for the new suspension design -- it's going to be tight and tough to adapt to a totally different system.
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    </TD><TD class=row1 height=28 vAlign=top width="100%"><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%">[​IMG]Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject: </TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap>[​IMG] </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Thanks guys . I'll go with the heat treatment. I was totally dumb on the subject so I thought I'd ask someone who's been there done that.Carl</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=row1 vAlign=center width=150 align=left>Back to top</TD><TD class=row1 height=28 vAlign=bottom width="100%" noWrap><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=18 height=18><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=center noWrap>[​IMG] [​IMG] </TD><TD> </TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap>


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    </TD><TD class=row2 height=28 vAlign=top width="100%"><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%">[​IMG]Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:24 pm Post subject: </TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap>[​IMG] </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>I ordered my 5/8 4130,rod ends,and split collars from McMaster Carr yesterday 12-29-05 at about 10:50 am and when I got home at 6:00 pm today 12-30-05 the order was on my doorstep! Now I need my bushings and I can get busy building. Carl</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=row2 vAlign=center width=150 align=left>Back to top</TD><TD class=row2 height=28 vAlign=bottom width="100%" noWrap><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=18 height=18><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=center noWrap>[​IMG] [​IMG] </TD><TD> </TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap>


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    </TD><TD class=row1 height=28 vAlign=top width="100%"><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%">[​IMG]Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:04 am Post subject: </TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap>[​IMG] </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Excellent.
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  9. zipper421

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    lots of good info
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    Not only is this thread interesting, it's maybe one of the most informative for some time. Better than a book and thanks to all concerned.:clap
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    Zipper,

    I'm probably way off but I was looking at the rocker arrangement and was wondering if moving the lower mount for the front adjuster tube towards the left so t he upper end of the adjuster was on the left of the rocker would result in more balanced load on the pivot bearing? This would also position the lower mount closer to the main frame tube so there would be less flex in the mount.

    I'd post pictures of the first stages of my project but I'd be embarrassed to see them next to your work.

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    Mines a big chair that could haul allot of stuff, your will probably be lighter and maybe could do with a smaller swaybar setup, this really works though and one can crank preload into the bar and it acts like a spring making the suspension much stiffer.
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    You've got allot to do this winter, building a body and making this all work,good luck.DB
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  14. zipper421

    zipper421 Been here awhile

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    thanks Dave
    how do you adjust the preload
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    Simple and it gets stiff very fast disconnect one end of sway bar (take aluminum arm splined onto bar off) jack up either the bike or the chair reconnect sway bar, I settled on neutral but will try raising chair side just a little next year.DB
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  16. zipper421

    zipper421 Been here awhile

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    its starting to come together
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  17. MILLENNIUM FALCON

    MILLENNIUM FALCON Been here awhile

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    I think I like it! Looks like you got a new shock... what is it?
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  18. davebig

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    Looks wide what's the track now ? Since its a giant Ural will the body be extra wide ? Your already the most accomplished home builder on the site.Don't get snowed into the garage.DB
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  19. zipper421

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    spare harley shock not sure which one im running yet
    the track is at 56 center to center what is yours
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    I'm not Claude but mines only 52" c-c, your wheel base is only a about 58.5 I would be asking someone with more experience what track should be.DB