myth of the light weight adventure bike for dirt and adv riding?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by B1, Mar 14, 2013.

  1. oldschoolsk8ter

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    That's all we need, take the 450 Racer and make into into a fat pig with big tank and crappy compromises so people can go play adventure
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  2. oldschoolsk8ter

    oldschoolsk8ter Adventurer

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    Sorry that was a little strong :eek1

    I think people need to be honest about what they actually NEED.

    How technical is the off road going to get, how fast do you need to go offroad, or how far do you need to travel on road?

    One bike will not be the best at all.
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  3. rickcj7

    rickcj7 Been here awhile

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    That bikes been out for over 10 years now
    TE610/630
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    WOW!! !! !! :clap
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  5. RememberTheFallen

    RememberTheFallen Been here awhile

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    B1,

    This mean you are done with the Berg or just relegating it to shorter, off road oriented rides?

    I have enjoyed watching your ride videos and youtube and having a 570 myself feel better knowing that someone else is doing the things I want to do on mine. I have realized though I may not be able to do everything on the berg.

    I am leaning towards the two bike solution now. I have a Honda crf450r that I have reserved for racing and serious trail riding. I have come to realize that I suck at racing and don't enjoy it too much. The Berg does pretty much everything the Honda does but I can beat on the Honda more without feeling bad. Thinking of selling it and using that money for a bigger bike.

    Really wish KTM would make a 800adv or Yamaha would make a wr450r that could possibly replace the the Berg and keep the Honda.

    Seems to never be a perfect bike!
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  6. GlennR

    GlennR Playin' in the Fire

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    Everybody seems to wish for "something else"....

    Lately I've been riding my ATV so much for scouting & clearing trails (seems every new trail has some logs to cut...) that I'm sort of wishing for a Cristini 2wd dual sport, except I'm not so sure about the Chinese CRF450 engine. I guess I'll lurk on the Cristini threads for a while to decide.

    I keep wondering if it's really a great thing why KTM or some other big maker doesn't offer a 2wd bike. :ear
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  7. OrangeYZ

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    Christini charges about 3500-4000 to convert an existing frame to AWD. If that was on the production line of an existing motorcycle, it would probably add 3000 to the cost. People on this board already complain about KTMs costing 13,000 and if the price went up by 3 grand, it actually would cost 13 and they'd freak out about a 16 thousand dollar bike. Hell, people freak out about the WR250R costing 6000!

    What I want to know about the Christini is, if the motor is a copy of the CRF450, is it close enough that an actual CRF450X motor would be a drop in thing? Any actual motor problems could be solved pretty fast, forever.

    If the answer is yes, I almost don't want to know. That might be a push I don't need...
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  8. manfromthestix

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    Picked her up yesterday :evil, test rode in the pouring rain, and it's still pouring right now dammmmit. :dog

    My wife thinks the rain is great because I'm supposed to be helping clean the house for a family get-together later today :lol3; if it were nice and sunny she knows she wouldn't be getting any help. You guys understand - you can see your family any time, but how often do you get to take that maiden voyage on a new toy?? She has no sympathy, but at least she supports my addiction.

    It quit raining for long enough to get this sad photo last night, unloaded her in a downpour and she's drying off in the garage. Can't wait for some sunshine!

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    I got the bike from another inmate, screaming deal, excellent condition, and loaded with farkles, purchased from excellent guy and only 90 miles away! Hopefully we can get together and ride; he's got a brand new KLR650 to break in.

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  9. Oldebonz

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    Hasn't been made yet!Ran out of space talking about the KTM LC4.If you are in the west it is marvelous.Will cruise easily at 75-85 mph and will still go about anywhere in rocky,hilly,sandy terrain with reliability and gasoline range.BUT in the Eastern US,tight,muddy single track can be a nightmare unless you are strong,fit 6 foot or over and an excellent rider.Better stick to the jeep and logging trails.The seat height intrudes,ESPECIALLY mounting and dismounting,is the kick up rear really necessary?Biggest headache!The 450 WR Yamaha has a higher seat height but is much easier to get on and off,it is horizontal! The Kawasakis and Hondas also require a dedicated effort,the DR650 Suzuki is mercifully much easier,they do give up suspension travel and sophistication for higher speed travel in the dirt,but are more capable on road.Haven't tried the 690 KTM or Husqvarnas,can't comment on them.Don't know if "I" would want to ride the mid -sizers cross country although many happily do.I'm old and need my comfort!Bought a new 990,990R scary high,so got the std version.I'll let you all know in July.:ear
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  10. B1

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    personally the berg has been the closest i've come to the do-everything bike. e.g. yesterday we were stuck on the side of steep rutted hills wondering if we'd every get out of the forest. then the weekend before was wrapping up a 7 day 2300km adventure ride complete with camping gear with everything from gnarly stuff, easy dirt roads, to throwing the bikes around the oxley highway, possibly australia's best motorbike ride (80km of hair pins and tight corners, woohoo).

    but i'm clocking up mileage on it very fast. my budget luggage and extra fuel setup (total cost $70 :D) means everything is pared back to the minimum and i'm borrowing stuff off the other guys all the time. and while the geared up berg is cruising easily at 140kmh (85 mph) she is a bit twitchy at anything over 50mph... it is really designed to turn fast and not be a straight line racer.

    if husaberg had kept making the 70 degree models i would have just bought another one in six months time. here's a vid i did with my highly biased opinion on the berg....:evil

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  11. GlennR

    GlennR Playin' in the Fire

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    Did KTM own Husaberg while the 70 degree bikes were developed? Or did they buy Husaberg and then drop the line? What's the story?

    I tried to find a used one in my price range, but missed out one a couple because they were a bit too far away. I ended up with a WR450, which I've really enjoyed, but still wish I'd gotten a Berg.

    What are they offering now, a blue KTM?
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  12. RememberTheFallen

    RememberTheFallen Been here awhile

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    No, that was the Berg engineers ideas. KTM produced the 70 degree motor but dropped it due to manufacturing costs.

    The husaberg 501 is a blue KTM that is not factory street legal.
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  13. B1

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    one way we are lucky in australia... we pay a lot more for our bikes but at least anything the europeans make with a headlight can be registered and road ridden here.

    wouldn't that be sweet? it is puzzling that yamaha doesnt do this. the DRZ400 is the biggest selling bike down under, i assume it's popular in the state too?

    personally i'd like to see suzuki turn the DRZ400 into a 500 and put the RMZ suspension on, then just up the price by $1000 to make it worth their while. that would have to be a big seller!
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  14. klaviator

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  16. B1

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    yeah i don't know what i was thinking when i posted that. must have had a few drinks before i started editing. :lol3

    i did a sensible video of the flexible FE570 next....

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/LTRoWkKFxmo?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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  17. corndog67

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    Part of the issue with manufacturers making your "Dream" bike, is that for everyone that says that "if Yamaha (or whoever) builds this bike, for example, the WR mentioned here with a 6 speed, racks, bags, lights, 21 gallon tank, a big alternator, kangaroo skin seat, etc., etc., and loads of people go, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd buy that...", well, it comes down to it and they make it, all of the sudden, people start making excuses, "Well, the magazine says the fuel injection is rough at 2200 rpm, the gas tank is too big, the gas tank is too small, it has injection instead of a carb, it has a carb instead of injection, it has fly by wire throttle, it has a throttle cable, the tires aren't aggressive enough, the tires are too aggressive, it doesn't get 60 miles to the gallon like my 250 used to, or my favorite, its the wrong color or I would buy it". All that tells me is that most of the people that "said" they would buy it, were just talking, and had no intention of buying it. So how are they supposed to decide what to make? Focus groups?

    For an example of this, watch how many of the people that said they were going to buy the Hyperstrada, when it gets released next month, actually signs the check for one. I bet way less than 10%.
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  18. B1

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    i'd half agree with that. i can understand that adventurizing a WR450F would be catering to a niche market that would probably be unprofitable. but things like keeping a five speed box on the WR are just keeping the bike in the dark ages in some respects.

    i spent a week trying to toss up between the WR450F and the FE570 (both new but the WR was going to be $2000 cheaper) and it was the gearbox that ultimately made me opt for the berg. and no regrets either....
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  19. bobnoxious67

    bobnoxious67 Baby steps...

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    That falls on deaf ears here :rolleyes
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  20. smj

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    I have looked for that perfect bike. Now I have an XR650R and a 990R, which seem to cover things well enough. My question is, how would anyone ever get 250 to 300 pound bike to really feel great on long distances on pavement? Like, when the wind is blowing and you need to make 500 miles that day... In traffic...
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