N a Parking Lot!

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by Wyodrill, Mar 6, 2014.

  1. Wyodrill

    Wyodrill Deer Slayer 800

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    What is it with women in parking lots? Every parking lot I go in, I am having to dodge crazed drivers intent on pulling out or running over me. We are not moving fast, we are in relatively confined quarters. There are lines on the road where to drive and where to stop. All over the country where I have ridden, I have noticed if a) I am in a parking lot, b) a car is moving and c) a woman is behind the wheel. I need to get out of the way. They don't stop, look or even drive in a straight line. I have not been able to correlate hair color to my theorem but I can defiantly state all the near misses in parking lots did not involve men.
    Yesterday I just made a quick run to the grocery. Had my coat and helmet on but no boots. Just needed a few things.
    After mounting up and driving the bike. I pulled over to the edge of this huge parking lot, 2 feet from the edge, WAY out of the way of any traffic. I stopped to mess with my GPS that was yacking at me. ( In a woman's voice I might add). I was there for two maybe three minutes when a woman backed across the parking lot to hit me. Coming from her parking spot, across two lanes of the road and then squarely putting her bumper on my front tire! I see this coming and cant even believe it. I knew she was going to stop, she had to stop, no she isn't going to stop. Knocked me over and off the bike. I rolled off of the pavement onto the dirt/mud. Then she runs out of the car and says, " I didn't see you". I'm a 250# guy sitting on a YELLOW F800 GS w/ silver paniers! Lady you didn't look back did you? She had robbed the bank and was now making her getaway! Me and the bike were a little dinged up, I kicked her bumper with my leg. ( Thats why Im here with an ice pack on my leg instead of out riding this morning. ) The bike had a mirror knocked loose.

    So the lesson from this? I think there are two:
    1) A moving target is harder to hit than one standing still. Don't stop in parking lots - get out of there.
    2) Stay out of parking lots that are frequented by women. Clothing stores, grocery stores, the Mall. If you must ride in a parking lot, go to Cabela's, Bass Pro Shop, Motorcycle Shop lots. You'll be safer.
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  2. hellboy7

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    Honestly, i think this is everyones story. Too many drivers are just straight up distracted. But hey, sorry to hear about your leg. Hopefully the swelling goes down soon and what not.
    That's pretty much why we all wear gear... I can't imagine how badly an accident would go down for someone with no gear. Personally, I would have gone off at the lady just because she ruined my way but who knows.
    The importance of boots is also pretty big when it comes to riding, thank god for my alpine stars. As much as I hate wearing clunky boots all the time, countless times they've saved me. http://www.motorcyclehouse.com/motorcycle-boots.htm
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  3. DaLunk

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    3) If it's moving straight at you, assume it isn't going to stop and take evasive action now.
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  4. SacredWarrior

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    Saw something the other day that may explain, but not excuse what happened it was enlightening to me. This is a bit lengthy.
    I was watching a show called "Brain Games" and it that days episode was on how we pay attention. The showed a video clip where in a studio they had a group of ~50 people watch a dance group(The JabbaWockeeZ) they asked the audience to count how many times the blue guys stepped into the spotlight in a ~1:30 dance. After it was done they queried the audience for there guess as to how many times. Remember this all happened live.
    The then asked how many saw the penguin walk in the middle of the dance.
    I missed it and so did a great number of others.

    They then explained, you weren't looking for a penguin in the dance troop therefore even though it was relatively easy to spot, a lot including me missed it.
    Here is the kicker, they then went on to say this is why when the ask people after motorcycle car accidents what happened the car driver says I didn't see them. We say like the OP, I am a big guy on a big bike with dayglow yellow and monster panniers. The point is and the show helped me learn a bit, if you are not looking for it(paying attention) its very easy to miss. We ride bikes all the time, therefore we see bikes all the time. We keep an eye out for them. The standard cager, they aren't even thinking about us. So like the penguin in the video I talked about, we are totally missed.

    I am not in any way excusing inattention, just trying to explain and understand. I will keep my eyes peeled even more and ATGATT will be more important than ever.
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  5. SgtDuster

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    I hope so! :wink:

    In your exemple, you were ASKED to look for the BLUE guy. You never expect a penguin, who would anyway?

    But on the road/parking lot, nobody asks the drivers to only look for cars and they should expect to see a bike, a pedestrian, a light pole, a kid and his dog, anything!

    All the SMIDSY theories are nice to EXPLAIN why...and the answer is simple; lack of attention notwithstanding the brain/eyes/expecting thing. To me, it's not even the beginning of an excuse for these accidents. Everybody NEED to pay attention while driving and look carefully before doing a move. And expect any kind of vehicules (or pedestrian, dog, debris, ...) to be on the road with them.

    You can miss a big guy on a flashy bike if you're not really looking for it...but you can't miss it if you are careful, pay attention and dedicated to the very serious task called driving.
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  6. SacredWarrior

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    I agree with you, that was my point. Most people who drive cars aren't looking for us who ride bikes. They should be, but it seems in a lot of cases they are not. That was all I was really pointing out.
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  7. SgtDuster

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    Yeah, I understood that.

    I just wanted to emphazise on the matter that we can't compare your experience where you've been asked to pay attention to a specific thing to the real life driving. That and toss my own POV on this same subject into the discussion.
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  8. Scott_PDX

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    I'm starting to believe that the more I look like a car the more chance they'll see me. Just ordered another set of Daytime Running Lights to hopefully catch the eye of motorists who aren' t looking for motorcycles. Also try the SMIDSY manoever whenever I see the opportunity. I wonder how long it'll be before I get pulled over for suspected drunk riding? :rofl

    Good story about parking lots. Need to exercise caution in those for sure. Especially malls where Teens hang out - they gotta be minefields!
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  9. NJ-Brett

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    Stop using (and fooling with) a gps on your bike.

    Another gps related accident.
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  10. JettPilot

    JettPilot Been here awhile

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    I totally disagree. This had nothing to do with the fact that he was fooling with his GPS. He could have stopped to tighten his helmet, latch his boot, secure his cargo, or any of 100 things. This accident was related to being stopped in a parking lot, and a woman not paying attention while driving.

    It just does not matter why he stopped in a parking lot, people stop in parking lots all the time, that is exactly what they are for.

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  11. JettPilot

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    I agree that this is pretty true on the road, but not in a parking lot. In a parking lot, any driver EXPECTS to see people, and even kids.. A stationary motorcycle is definitely bigger and easier to see than a person or kid. No excuse for the woman on this one. Had it been a child or slow elderly person she could have killed them.

    I can tell you what most likely did happen here. The type of woman that has never faced any consequences in her life for anything, and drives distracted, the type of woman that would just laugh at a causing a small accident, and does not give a schit about anyone or anything but herself and what social function she is going to attend over the weekend...

    Mike
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  12. just jeff

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    There is less attention being paid by drivers across the board. Cagers don't only pull out or turn in front of motorcycles. They do it in front of cars and pickups and Semis as well. Motorcyclists turn into the path of traffic too! I know it's hard to believe but it's true!! Who out there can honestly say they have never made a mistake while driving? We ALL need to pay more attention. There are so many distractions out there these days. Traffic congestion, signage, electronic devices, our hectic lives and weather conspire to take us out. Please wear ATGATT and try to ride with your head in the game.
    Ride Safe....justjeff
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  13. pennswoodsed

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    Why do women get lower premiums ? I think that this is just one of the signs of loss of accountability that we see .
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  15. Hawk62cj5

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    Glad you were not seriously hurt

    I work on gas station equipment for a living and most people when pulling in are super distracted which Im sure its the same in retail parking lot . I watch them turn off the road , aim the car at a gas isle and look down to txt , dig through pocket book ,start up a lap top,do make up, put out cigarette , roll a joint , pull up pants ect ect and they use their peripheral vision to stop the car. So if you were not there or they didnt notice you when they made the turn off the road or when they made the decision of which pump they were going to use too bad . Ive had them drive trough caution tape (like the police use) over 3 foot cones , through barrier poles between construction barrels , me , and my big ass service van ... not all at the same time yet though . :rofl I had a lady on a Mercedes drive over 2 3 foot cones , through caution tape , stop at the pump that had a out of service bag over the nozzle get out of the car , took the nozzle with the out of service bag on it and put it her car and tried pumping gas . She looks at me and said sir can you help me I cant get this pump to start . I step off to the side pull out my elcheapo work camera and take her pic .She gives me a crazy look and I say , Sorry I had to because my coworkers arnt going to believe how fing stupid you are , now can you put the nozzle back and back off my cones before they catch on fire under your car and burn the place down . :lol3

    In parking lots if possible I normally entry from the lest busy side and just park near where I entered just so I dont have to put up with cars backing out in front of me and other stuff . Most of the time it means more of a walk but I need the exercise anyway . Most bike people here park on the no parking striped area near the store around the handicaped parking areas especially at the walmart , I just dont feel special enough to park there and Im not an asshole . Plus I have a handicapped son due to 3 brain tumors and when he was wheel chair bound I have had trouble getting the wheel chair to the side of the car due to a bike being in the way . But I guess that is a whole nother issue .
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  16. scfrank

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    The OP ask a question, why? There were a few valid answers about human behavior, confirmed through testing. Demonstrate via video examples.

    So the question is, do we just continue to complain and expect others to change their behavior?

    Or do we use this information to change our own behavior?

    Which option is most likely going to make us safer?

    Im not finding fault with the OP. I would be pissed too. But this has to be a learning experience.
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  17. Jsboening

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    I was once almost run over leaving a parking lot by a young lady. I was on my ST1300 behind this young gal trying to make a left hand turn out into busy traffic. We had been sitting there for a couple minutes waiting for traffic to clear, when all the sudden she throws her car into reverse and begins to back up into me. I laid on the horn, but she kept coming. Thankfully her boyfriend sitting next to her began to yell at her and she stopped inches from my front tire. If he wouldn't have yelled at her I probably would have been injured for sure, there was no way I could back peddle that 700lb. beast out of the way or even bail in time.
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  18. just jeff

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    I was sitting in my cage on the street waiting for the light several cars ahead when a woman came out of the store and got into her truck. She put her truck into reverse and backed straight out into the side of the car ahead of me.:huh She had to have seen the line of cars stopped in the driving lane for the light as she walked out of the store and into her car. I seriously think people are on drugs these days. How do you protect yourself from that.??
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  19. Other Bob

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    Glad you were not badly injured!

    It's the DWHUA syndrome .. "Driving With Head Up Ass." I'm not making an excuse with this next comment, but "I didn't see him" (or the variant ".. soon enough to stop") is a common element in all accidents. In other words, whether car/bike, car/car, whatever, nobody means for a collision to happen, that's why they're called ACCIDENTS!

    Of course, even if unintended the collision still involves at least some negligence .. an idiot in a no-idiot zone! They're just well insulated from the consequences of their stupidity. And ..

    Agreed. Also seems to apply to an ever-broadening percentage of the population in general. If it's not a consequence meaningful to the offender then it's inconsequential and they'll just continue their behavior as they please. A fine? ... pfft!, no big deal to many.

    I think upbringing often has much to do with this. True or not, I once heard a story about a rider who was hit and injured badly by a teen driver (a girl, BTW). His revovery required a long stay in the hospital (lost a leg IIRC, plus more). Her parents made her go to the hospital every day that he was there! She sat outside his room to start with: I think he wouldn't see her at first but her parents made her stay. They intended for her life to be interrupted for at least the duration of his stay. She had to face her victim, humanizing him to her. She cared for him, kept him company. Ultimately they grew close and it was a good way for both of them to heal. I don't think that outcome could reasonably be expected in all (if even many) victim/offender accidental collision situations, but that can be overcome ...

    ... immediate infliction of duplicate injuries upon the negligent cage driver, right at the accident scene! They can share the ambulance ride! They can stay in the second bed in the same hospital room for the same duration! Eat the same shitty food! Even if they have it, they shall be prohibited from utilizing the benefit of better healthcare insurance than the rider has! THEN turn the lawyers loose on the offender/insurance policy!

    Yes, I've had a bad day. :bluduh I guess public floggings are poo-poo'ed these days? :bluduh Bearing the burden for our own safety still beats living in a cage! :D

    Bob.
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