Narrowed down to 3--Opinions?

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by JBGHEAT, Jul 27, 2013.

  1. blugg1

    blugg1 Been here awhile

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    Totally OT: Yes, they still do. Dave now has Industrial Pale Ale (IPA) and OK Ale (named after OK Street). I owned Electric Brewing for two years while Dave was on parole. Arizona forbids anyone on parole from owning any sort of state liquor license, including a microbrewery license. So Dave gave the brewery to me as I am squeaky clean. I gave it back to him when he completed his parole.
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  2. Vertical C

    Vertical C Long timer

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    Scooters come in two sizes short wheelbase and long wheelbase. The two small scooters in your choice have it but are too small engined for the highway, the Burgman is physically too big to make it good around town where you might as well be on a motorcycle (weight and manouverability will be harder).

    I would look at a ~250cc short wheelbase, the Aprillia 250.
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  3. cdwise

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    Sports City 250 does fine on climbs. We kept one in Breckenridge, CO for 2 years before my son took it off to university in California. When we first bought it the companion scoot was a Burgman 400 and while the Burgman does have a bit more grunt it only left the Sports City behind when there was wide open flat ground and the Burgman rider was significantly exceeding the speed limit.

    BV 500/Scarabeo 500 keep the same form factor as the smaller scoots but are far more comfortable for me to ride. Traded the Burgman in for a BV though personally I prefer the Scarabeo - better seat and suspension.
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  4. Jim Moore

    Jim Moore Long timer

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    Damned interesting. Thanks. I remember the barmaid saying something about Dave being "gone away for awhile." I wouldn't know Dave from Adam, but it was a peculiar remark that has stuck with me for, geez, fifteen years? Man, I'm old!
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  5. Gerg

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    Back on topic...

    We have a Piaggio BV350 and Zuma 125 in the garage. The 350 gets used 4:1. It'll do freeway speeds easily, get 60+ MPG, and has a ton of storage since adding the top box.

    Get at least a 250 sized scooter so you can do the higher speed roads. There are LOTS of options!
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  6. blackcat54

    blackcat54 Adventurer

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    How effective is the BV350 windshield/fairing at highway speed?

    From the looks of it, it doesn't look as effective as a Burgman 400 type setup.
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  7. cdwise

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    Stock Burgman 400 windshield sucks - seriously it vibrates at speed and produces a thumping on your helmet. First mod most people do is to either replace it with a Givi or get a Laminar lip to go on it. We went with the lip which helped but did not eliminate completely.
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  8. blugg1

    blugg1 Been here awhile

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    That's precisely why I sold my Burgman 650 a number of years ago. I never could solve the vibration/helmet buffeting problem. I also tried the lip, which helped a teensy bit and I rebelled at the idea of replacing the windshield with an aftermarket one. I mean, why couldn't Suzuki solve this problem?
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  9. 303whodat

    303whodat Adventurer

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    Quick follow up on my post, 05 burg ended up selling for 1350 with 34k miles. I miss that bike terribly and will buy back from buyer if/when she sells. Replaced with an 05 burg 650. Commute required a little more weight, was getting blown around a bit on 2 lane roads.
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  10. JerryH

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    The Zuma 125 is just not going to do what you want. While I have hit an indicated 60 mph, that was at full throttle on a level road, and maybe a slight tailwind. And even on moderate hills, or into a strong headwind, the speed drops way down, and the engine starts pinging and knocking loudly. I also don't think it is a good idea to ride these small scooters at full throttle all the time.

    The Genuine Stella is slower than the Zuma on the road, but it will climb anything with it's manual transmission with a super low first gear that lets you keep the engine speed up while moving slow. But it is an ancient design, and requires a lot of care and love to keep it going. Not what most people seem to want.

    For a CVT scooter, you are going to need displacement. I don't know if a 250 would be enough or not, and it is twice the size of a 125. A 125 is basically a city scooter.
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  11. blugg1

    blugg1 Been here awhile

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    Jerry's right. A 125cc scooter is fine for short trips to the grocery store, but if you'd like to expand your horizon's a bit (and eventually you will) the best choice would be something between a 125cc (I once owned a Yamaha Vino) and a 650cc Burgman (I owned one of those, too), such as what I've got now: A 2012 SYM HD 200cc, which will not only putt around town, but accelerate smartly to get out of harm's way but is also able to propel you down the road at 65-70mph all day long. Disc brakes for and aft, liquid cooled motor, and 16" wheels. I'm amazed that I didn't know about the SYM earlier in my scooter sampling.
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  12. DOUBLE-O G

    DOUBLE-O G Smooth Operator

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    FYI: there's no 2012 PCX 150. There's only a 2011 PCX 125 and the 2013 PCX 150. If someone is trying to sell you a 2012 PCX 150, I think there's a problem. If the PCX turns out to be the 125 and not the 150, I would no buy it. The 150cc is far superior to the 125.

    Given your 3 choices, I would go for the PCX 150 but I am totally biased. I don't think there's a better compromise on the market today. it's light, fast, gets great gas mileage and can go the distance. Get a top box and/ or a bigger windshield and you could do some touring with it.
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  13. Horizontal

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    Don't really know squat about the scooters you mentioned but from your listed options I'm seeing the words FREEWAY and HILLS pop out at me. Then I'm looking at your choice of displacement and I'm seeing 150, 200 & 400. I put the two together and come up with the Burgman, or a Burgman-like scoot as your only real option.

    Brianwheelies just grabbed a used Kymco that he takes all over Nevada, but I believe it's a 250 and don't know how many mountains he's climbed with it.
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  14. Chillis

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    An SYM and my hill testing of the Baker Grade on highway I15 had the bike down to 50mph at the highest grade%.

    Other times, still heading up hill, it would still pull 65mph.

    There is a member of the SYM forum who posts here as well who has taken his SYM RV250 all over the western US.

    I would take my RV to most places but going up mountains is not always comfortable.
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  15. blugg1

    blugg1 Been here awhile

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    I forgot to mention in my last post that my SYM HD 200 has to go up rather steep hills every day. My town, Bisbee, AZ is in a wishbone canyon in the Mule Mountains. There simply are no level streets. All streets off Tombstone Canyon or Brewery Gulch are uphill, and a few are memorable for their steepness. Especially High School Hill. The high school (now closed) is a four-story building and each story has an entrance onto the street (it's in Ripley's Believe it or Not). I can stop the SYM at the bottom of the hill - approximately one block long - and be going 30mph at the crest. A fellow scooterist has a KYMCO 150 and it seems to do almost as well.
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  16. gumshoe4

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    Off subject for a moment-cdwise said: "Stock Burgman 400 windshield sucks - seriously it vibrates at speed and produces a thumping on your helmet. First mod most people do is to either replace it with a Givi or get a Laminar lip to go on it. We went with the lip which helped but did not eliminate completely."

    I had the same problem with the stock windshield on the SWing when I bought it. It was awful...lots of buffeting and vibration and didn't stop a lot of wind, either. I put on a Givi AirFlow, which has a top piece which is adjustable. No more problem at all, ever...no buffeting, excellent wind protection and you can lower the top piece in the summer to get some breeze and raise it in the winter to deflect the wind. Here's a pretty good shot of the bike with the AirFlow:

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    In addition to the SWing, Givi also makes AirFlows for the Burgman 400, the Kymco Xciting 500, the Piaggio MP3 250/400 and the Yamaha TMax. I highly recommend it. No, I don't work for Givi...just very impressed with the product... :D
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  17. blugg1

    blugg1 Been here awhile

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    Precisely why I sold my Burgman: Buffeting and thumping of the helmet. Sometimes I had double vision, as in two black cars coming at me on a 2-lane road. Which was the real car?
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  18. S/W

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    Suzuki probably could solve the problem, and also like the Silverwing windshield, showroom looks trumped functionality.
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