Nascar 2012

Discussion in 'Racing' started by Motorcyclist, Dec 4, 2011.

  1. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    Other then his Danica garbage, I vote pbarmy to run the show. He knows it extremely well. He can let a lawyer overide his gender issues, and hire some others to manage the rest of the crap. Let him get the racing right!

    Then throw out all those trackside media creeps. :bluduh

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  2. pbarmy

    pbarmy Long timer

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    Hey your not so bad (for a Bruins fan!)Hey I love the Celtics tho!And I also like Erica Enders,the Force girls,Sarah Fisher,and several women motocrossers/enduro riders.Its like Jr,its not him,its his fans!:wink:
  3. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

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    They run em until they pop right now, tires coming apart would cause more yellers.

    The cars are so much safer and stronger, I'd like to see a return of concrete walls at some tracks. Let some of the brats see what concrete feels like to weed them out of the sport. :deal
  4. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

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    Oh come, those guys were in those little tiny cars without a Hans device.


    Good live interview with Danica streaming at nascar.com right now.
  5. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    Nationwide would have at least one dead driver this season, without the SAFER barriers. Can't remember the guy's name, but he did a Dale Earnhardt into the infield wall at Daytona, I think it was. Horrible collision. The wall saved him.
  6. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

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    That's why I said, "some tracks". Calm down, I don't wanna kill 'em. They could learn a little at Martinsville with a destroyed car instead of the current bumper cars they are playing. Don't forget how much bigger and safer the car is.
  7. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    Yeah that still rips my heart out. I thought Adam was destined to greatness. I didn't follow Kenny. The Safer Barrier is a great thing and also the kneck braces they wear now. I wish they would have thought of it a few years sooner.
  8. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

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    I think the biggest improvement has been the car itself and the seat. Look at that hit Jeff Gordon took in that open concrete slot that used to be at Vegas. I'm not even sure that the SAFER wall is even needed with all the improvements made in other areas.

    The "noose" was an allowed option when Dale died.
  9. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    So what do you think? I am puzzled by your response. Go backwards?

    We all saw what Dale wore for safety. Open faced helmet, those 99 cent goggles, and he never wore the noose. I mean I had those goggles in 1964 racing karts as a kid... Dale would be alive today if he just respected the consequences.

    For a guy at the very top of his sport for such a long time, he was a bit of a fool.
  10. larryboy

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    It would improve the sport if the drivers had to stay off the concrete at the smaller tracks. The car itself is so much safer that the SAFER isn't needed at some tracks IMHO. There are a ton of tracks out there that don't have the barriers and the HANS device is saving lives.

    If you term it "backwards", I'm fine with that.
  11. wxwax

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    I'm in the "all of the above" camp. If you saw Danica's wreck last night, you wouldn't be so sanguine about removing the SAFER barriers. It was a killer strike.

    I agree that safer cars and tracks make for more reckless driving. I disagree strongly that the solution is to make the tracks less safe.

    For one thing, all it might -- might -- change is the driving at that particular track. Drivers are smart, changing one track won't affect how they drive at all tracks.

    For a second thing, the cars still get damaged when they hit the wall. It's not as if there are no consequences to their chances of winning the race, if they hit a wall.

    I just don't think the way to make NASCAR more interesting is to make it more dangerous. I think the fundamental problem is that technology has changed the challenge of racing at the top level in all series. Not just in terms of safety, but in terms of reliability and performance. A 500 mile race used to be a mechanical challenge. Now it's a drone. And then there's the homogenization of parts and design, to save money.

    F1's solution has been to counter-act some of the technological advances. Weaker tires by design. A Drag Reduction System to create a passing zone and reduce the aero liability. And then there's the most expensive (and unintended) way to create close racing: almost annual rules changes, which have the effect of leveling the playing field for about a season or so.

    What were we talking about again? :lol3
  12. larryboy

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    What?


    Danica's most recent wreck is a direct result of "no consequences" racing, she kept steering into the slide trying to save the race instead of turning the wheel left and locking it down to save the car. Interesting that she never took the window net down.

    Go Kurt Busch!!! WTF am I liking that arsehole? I love me an underdawg!! :clap
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    I think we'll have to disagree on whether or not that car could be saved.

    I like the other asshole, Kurt's brother. Massively talented driver.
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    Can we agree that she never even tried to lock it down?
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    She tried to save it. Since neither you nor I are race car drivers (you're not, are you? :lol3) I'm not sure we're the ones to be second-guessing how a driver handles an out-of-control car sliding sideways at 180 mph.
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    They are both massively talented, Rowdy probably a bit more so and better at keeping his yap shut. But you don't win a championship in this series without being a great driver!
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    Interesting that Nationwide ran tandem, but Sprint Cup isn't. Did they make cooling changes to one series but not the other?

    I love the way they're running ads. The race is the big picture, the ad is the little picture. Much better than the side-by-side they do in IndyCar, where the race is squeezed into a small box.
  18. larryboy

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    Yawn of a race, did they hit 50% capacity?

    How bout the 'dinger? Idiot. Should make silly season sillier.
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    Classic example of why Kurt almost got fired from his current team. With 68 laps to go, he gets impatient, forces himself into the middle to make it three wide in a turn in the middle of a packed field, and then he loses control and hits a couple of cars. Totally unnecessary. James Finch, team owner, says he's wrecked 14 cars so far this season.
  20. larryboy

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    Looks like forcing your way up the middle is the only way to pass to me?

    Green flag pit stops can't be done by these "drivers"...again. I'd eliminate yellow flag pit stops to make the "racing" interesting.

    Come on Johnson, turn left and spin the damn thing. They need to put gravel traps in or something.