Nascar 2013

Discussion in 'Sports' started by vettex2, Feb 16, 2013.

  1. shrineclown

    shrineclown VespaSlayer

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    All I know is Webber lost a wheel. KB did a burn-out.
  2. Gravel Seeker

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    :lol3
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    Gravel Seeker Thomas

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    I know, right!
    And, well, there you go.

    I always though PVR was built into a decoder whereas a DVR was a stand alone device that just recorded whatever feed it received, like a VCR (if you're young enough to remember those, I still have one :lol3).
  4. vettex2

    vettex2 X-Racer

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    I just chucked a BETA-Max :rofland all the tapes
    the thing had a wired remote :huh
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    Gravel Seeker Thomas

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    Ahh, good times.

    I remeber my parents bought our first VHS VCR in about 1980. It was a SHARP and the remote receiver was wired :lol3 It stood next to the TV and looked like modern day external hard drive. Features included slow and fast forward (half and double speed). Both with sound :evil:freaky

    It was a bit early for home theatre so I guess they didn't sell. Also it cost a small fortune. We bought it at half price and payed $1250 :eek1
    (As a comparison, my dad bought a new car (small, simple Mitsubishi family sedan) in 1983 which was $16.000 with all extras back then)
  6. shrineclown

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    Hmmmm.....I may have written off Sato as a hack driver too soon. /But then again, it may be too soon to change that opinion of him being a pinball. Long Beach has been fun to watch this year. And he wins...that was while I was watching on DVR.....Eh, I still have seen more bonehead moves....squirrel.

    And I have to admit I love AJ like he was me own Pa. Full disclosure and all.

    Good to see the dancing boy on top of the numbers again too. He is great for the sport. People love him for the good guy he is.

    Shed those fenders...man up.
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    Congrats to Kenseth....for a great run. I have had to switch alliances because I will not support the Toyota...hundreds of dollars of 17 gear worthless......but he done well. It is good to see him being such a fine impact on an organization...much like his mentor who also is in a foreign car now too, how I miss the KIng...... Yeah, I know all about the NA plants....still does not do it for me. Ford, Chevy, Dodge...that is NASCAR. And all that crap about jag's etc....did they beat the Mercury or the Plymouth of the era...NO. Give it a rest before you start. Gimmick.... it is about the money and Toyota has it, now they have stopped wasting it on a delusional F1 program.

    Rant off,

    Congrats Matt, and always remember...brake late in turn three.
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    Gravel Seeker Thomas

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    Hey what happened to that test drive of the Australian V8 supercars ?
    Someone had testdriven a V8 supercar at Austin (Circuit of the Americas ?), but I didn't catch who it was. They mentioned top of the program, but I didn't catch the rest of the story.

    Will Sprint cup race at that track ?
  9. shrineclown

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    They will need more concrete.

    IIRC I read somewhere a while back they struck a deal with AV8 already.
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    Gravel Seeker Thomas

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    What do you mean more concrete ? The whole place is concrete....

    Do you know what that deal is ?

    Just curious :D
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    Cannot remember the details other than they were planning to hold a race there.
  12. vettex2

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    NASCAR spanked him....TRD screwed up
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    DirtFarmer Has anyone seen my mother

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    Big deal about nothing. Nascar trying to make news that is not about the racing. Straight out of the F1 playbook.
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    I would have to disagree with you. This is the first time I have seen NASCAR be consistent with a penalty. It pretty much mirrors what was done to Carl Long a few years back and he had less control over what was happening inside the engine (he leased his engine, so no tampering or opening it up).

    Don't tell me it was an oversight. My engine balancer gets the rods and pistons spot on. One time he had to go back and trim 1 gram off each rod because on the last one he went just a little too far. Yes he is a professional and is highly reguarded in the area. They don't just buy off the shelf stuff and install it, everything is checked, weighed and measured. There is probably more to the story than we will ever know.

    I am ready to give up on NASCAR due to its inconsistancies, favoritisms and the like, but for the first time in years, I have a small glimmer of hope.

    The Penske fine does not equate. The parts were not used in competition and have yet to be determined illegal. They are playing in the gray area (which you must do to win), thus I think that penalty might be a bit harsh. We will see what happens upon appeal.

    Kenny
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    Not true...engine violations have always been heavily penalized in NASCAR. Inadvertent or not, it is spec racing and deviations have always been harshly dealt with. Ask Junior Johnson and Carl Long just to name a couple.....Mark Martin lost a championship over an inconsequential fastening choice on an intake IIRC.

    Ride height...I will agree that was stupid noise after a car and its' suspension had been sacked after it just completed a 500 mile race. Which had cleared pre-race checks. Engines...don't mess with them.
  16. DirtFarmer

    DirtFarmer Has anyone seen my mother

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    Or is it really just making noise.

    Big fines – sure - pass them on to the engine shops.

    Points – maybe – car owners could put some pressure on the engine shops. But other than Chevy, car owners have captive engine suppliers.

    Suspensions – no – car chiefs, crew chiefs & team engineers are not even pulling heads without the engine builders being right there.

    There are a dozen different ways this could have happened, we are talking about 1/10th of an ounce on a 19.5 ounce part.

    Example – some engineer at TRD has the call out that the connecting rods have to be a balanced set +/- 3 grams with a minimum of 525 grams. I’m some young poor sap CMM operator in incoming inspection at TRD and read that literally even though that is not what the engineer meant. So I have 7 connecting rods at 525 grams and one at 522 grams, in tolerance but does not meet Nascar’s minimum weight.

    Nascar has endorsed the big engine shops (Roush Fenway, TRD, Hendrick, ECR) if not by words, but by actions. There may be some small one car engine shops in cup, but I don’t know who they are.

    I have spent a lot of time in Roush Fenway engine shop in the past. Don’t expect to find a bunch of race fan – gear heads in there. Many don’t follow racing at all. I have also have worked with other spec racing series on how engines can be detected if they have been messed with (highly encrypted bolts that the marks are destroyed when removed).

    Suspending people who the system has taken it completely out of their control is just making noise on an infraction that has no net gain.
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    DirtFarmer Has anyone seen my mother

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    And here is another real world example. I have a part that needs to be rejected, 3 grams light. I just can't send it back, I have to write it up and bust 10 peoples balls. My boss is getting pissed at me for all the write ups and I just let this one go.

    That happens everyday when we make ISO and other standards a pain in the ass instead of a system checks and balances.
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    Oh by the way, the tolerances that I work in now are much tighter than any engine shop. I see the fixturing call outs for many CNC machines in high performance engine shops.
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    Rules is rules, they all know them. There is no excuse for sloppy. There is a long history of strong penalties in this area. Spin it however you want, you are just wrong. This in not new in NASCAR. Carl Long could never raise the 250k he needed to get back in, which is probably short money compared to this penalty. Made Junior so mad, he got out on his own. If you want to experiment, there is Formula One. And even they are cranking down on engines too. That is how they level the field, or I should say attempt to level the field. Like it or hate it, it is their game and their rules.
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    So are you saying what happened to Carl Long is just?

    Contract engine builders endorsed by NASCAR have no liability?

    Rules is rules & NASCAR :lol3:lol3

    Using history back when teams built their own engines is off the mark.

    You really think that making one connecting rod off balance is experimenting?

    I'm wrong, and spinning it my way. :lol3

    It's their game, granted. And you will be happy to know that when you go to a race in Kansas, they have a nice casino (owned by France) so going to races will not be a complete waste of time. There was also bands and great big long lines at Danica's trailer. Next year they may have even a ferris wheel.