Need specific Death Valley tracks

Discussion in 'GPS Tracks - West & PNW' started by Mr. Cob, Jan 15, 2006.

  1. Mr. Cob

    Mr. Cob Howling "Mad", Adventurer

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    Howdy All,

    Yes I know many tracks have been posted, I am in need some specific tracks and do not have the mapsoruce and computer skills to edit what I need from those that have been posted. This is what I need, any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

    Need a track from either end of Golar Canyon to the other end going from the main road on the east to the west. The route that was used when R-Dubb has his crash would be great

    Need a track from the Hot Springs over Steel Pass back to Scotty's castle.
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  2. Countdown

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    This is my track record of DV dirt roads.

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  3. Popey

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    We did both of these routes over Thanksgiving and Jean-Luc posted all our tracks in the west region. Hope that helps.
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  4. Donkey Hotey

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    Just curious: why would you need GPS tracks for such a large area? There aren't many turns or options out there. Navigating Death Valley is a piece of cake with a good map (which you'll need/want anyway).

    The AAA Death Valley Map is a great start and shows most of the ghost towns and roads. I think Lippencot Mine Road isn't shown as a through route but you can connect it on your own. Everything else you described is on the map and it's well detailed.

    If you're a AAA member, it wouldn't hurt to get the Eastern Sierra Map (shows details of 395, Lone Pine and Owens Lake / Cerro Gordo area) and the San Bernardino County Map (shows the south end of the valley and the Mojave Desert region down there).
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  5. Mr. Cob

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    Howdy GregCifu,

    I have only been over Steel Pass once, it was in the dark while riding a bike with a head light about as good as a flashlight with dead batteries. The time I rode through Golar, we were on many different roads then the one that went through, and on the second half of that ride my mind was on other things other then the road. I plan on doing some over night camping this time around and just want to make the ride a bit more enjoyable "knowing" where I am going.

    When going over Steel Pass from the Hot Springs, we were lost and separated form the rider who knew where he was going for over two hours. I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer and I am just trying to get a bit of an edge.
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    I had previously looked at your profile. You're not going to do those passes on either of the GS's are you? :huh Goler is tough going east-bound even on a dirt bike. I can't see getting an 1150 through there in either direction without risking big-time damage. Look in the ride reports. A group went through the water fall section of Goler back in December and they got some great pictures of what you'll face this year.
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  7. CA Stu

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    I beg to differ. I reckon a decent rider could ride that whole road and never dab.

    East to west is the easy way, I prefer going the other way.

    However, I agree that the route is pretty self explanatory, especialy if you have a paper map. I may have tracks on another computer, I'll zap them to you if I can find them.

    West Side Road south to SR 108 east to Butte Valley rd., bear left (south) on Coyote Canyon Rd., bear right on Goler Wash Rd., to Coyote Canyon Rd., to T-junction at Wingate Rd, turn right (North), you can either follow that road north all the way to pavement at Wildrose or you can make a left at Ballarat and hit the highway there.

    A paper map and a compass is plenty for that area, it isn't like there is a maze of roads or anything...

    Cheers
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  8. Donkey Hotey

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    Come-on Stu, you rode your KLR on the B2V because the XR didn't present enough of a challenge.:D I'm talking mortal riders on fully loaded GS's, not you or Jimmy Lewis. Didn't we take opposite sides for nOObs on B2V? I thought it wasn't bad but you thought it was too much? Cripes, those ride reports were brutal.

    Okay, *I* couldn't do those rodes on my GS. YMMV :D

    Mr. Cob, you've probably already been through Jean-Luc's thread and pictures from Thanksgiving. Look at the rocks and judge accordingly.
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    CA Stu Steer with your face! Super Moderator

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    What kicks people's asses on LA-B-V is the 250 mile per day pace, not necessarily the technical aspect of the trail itself.

    Death Valley, the dirt roads are all graded and technically pretty easy, and each rider can choose their own route and set their own pace.

    Thanks
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    Cut the boy some slack. I came out Steel Pass in a Jeep and it was a bitch. I'd be looking for better maps too.

    You must have just been repeating "the horror, the horror" in your head for that trip. At least the hot springs were a nice reward.
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  11. Mr. Cob

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    Howdy All,

    OK, there seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding here, I am not a DV n00b, I have ridden my R80G/S over Steel Pass in the dead of night while trying desperately to keep Jean Luc, in sight, I have ridden Goler with the likes of Santa and R-Dubb, it's just that I never had the time to keep track of where we were or where we were going.

    This year me and my riding partner Don have a REAL adventure ride planed, we are going to "attempt" some of these roads on our Ural side-hack rigs. I have a VERY good paper map, I am very familiar with many of the roads in DV, Steel Pass and Goler are NOT among those I know well.

    This even with two wheel drive may be more then these rigs are capable of, in fact I am sure we will have to turn around, however we are going to give it a try and knowing where we supposed to be will take some of the weight off of this heavy trip. :deal
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    AHHHH...NOW you tell us. :D Okay, you understand the concern then. Never mind--you're prepared. I have ridden with very good road riders who greatly over-estimated their off-road skills. I'm generally the slow guy but I've also been with guys who panicked in a dirt parking lot. We never know what people mean by "decent off road rider." Stu is very modest about his own skills. Never ridden with him but I've seen photos of stuff he navigated on his KLR and he's better than 'decent' to do B2V on that beast and finish in daylight.

    The Urals are 2WD? That's cool:thumb If so, you should have a great time. I actually think obstacles like the steps in Goler would be easier on a 2WD hack. Geez, just about everything should be easier with a hack. It's hard to get a big bike like a GS up those steps and maintain balance and traction. The biggest thing I can think of would be if the spring is flowing and the rocks are wet. Bring tow rope (obviously) and maybe a hand winch. The ONLY spot I had problems was ONE step but it stopped me for almost an hour (not enough traction with wet Metzeler Saharas).

    Hey Stu, one of these days we are going to end up riding together. I'll tell ya' what, if I know you'll be there, I'll bring my ATK and you can spot me 10 minutes on every leg--that way you won't be too bored m'kay :lol3
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  13. Hammer

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    The road over Mengel Pass and thru Goler was graded by County road crews in mid-December. I saw a few pics of it on another website. The stairs are still there, but it's not the rock garden it was when Jean-Luc and crew went thru. East to west I don't doubt the Urals could make it thru with no more than a scrape to the bottom of the skid-plate when cascading down the steps. If some have piled rocks at the steps, the Urals might even make it west to east.
    Those 2 passes were the only ones I missed going thru DV. I didn't take pics of it, but the one place I'd think very carefully about is Lippencott. It was quite narrow when I went down it. A jeep had gone up, so it obviously would fit a side-hack. It is very rough, tho, and if you get in any trouble there, no telling how long it might be 'til someone comes along. Maybe an hour, maybe a week.
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  14. R-dubb

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    Howdy Cob,

    I'll be looking forward to seeing you charaters again. Easy does it!!!

    So here's what you do. Just load JL's DV tracks into your GPS. It you can't figure out how to handle the .gpx file, e-mail me and I'll send you one in Mapsouce format. The day four track can be deleted as it goes out over Sherman Pass. Set your GPS to show tracks, and you'll have all the info you need on your display whenever you are close too one of the roads. His tracks cover the stuff shown below:

    Saline Valley
    Lippencott
    Racetrack
    DV Road
    Goler Wash
    Steel Pass

    Here is the image of what you will get when you load it:

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  15. Mr. Cob

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    Howdy Hammer,

    This is great information. I knew that going over Mengel Pass was easier one way then it was the other, last year we did it west to east. So it would seem that for our Ural attempt it would be better if we went east to west. The one down fall on the Urals is that they are not geared low enough for climbing things such as the steps, lots of heavy clutch work in such circumstances. We have been up and down Lippencott on bikes many times, going down it on the Urals should not be to big of a problem we will just have to go slow when in the big rocks, the rigs only have about 5 inches of ground clearance. Last year we rode down South Pass to get into the Saline Valley but because of the snow and ice we had to ride up the Lippencott to get back out of the valley.

    Steel Pass is the one that I think will give us the most problems. If I remember correctly there is an awful lot of deep sand to ride and I do remember going down some very steep rock steps. When we went down these steps it was totally dark so I have no idea of what they look like, I do remember the skid plate on the R80G/S being slammed many times and I think that the rock steps had very narrow rut like groves in them. Steel Pass may be something we should for safety's sake avoid with the Urals. It would be great if we could hook up with some folks in 4x4's that way if we had trouble help would be there. They could provide a winch, we could provide some insane photo opportunities and some tall tales to be told around the camp fire for years to come.:evil :wink: :lol3
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    Howdy R-Dubb,


    Yes, Don and myself are also looking forward to seeing you and the other miscreants we rode with last year.:evil Because we will be on the Urals we won't be able to ride with you this year :cry so be careful and only break parts not bones this year. :deal

    I have down loaded Jean Luc's tracks to my computer, I know how to open the tracks and how to load them into my GPS. However my vast computer skills do not include how to edit tracks or pick one from a group that I have saved and enter only that one into my GPS. I am so fuckin dumb when it comes to computer stuff that sometimes I feel like just throwing the damned thing out the window and never turning it on again. Anything that requires a set series of precise steps, such as using many computer programs usually leaves me very frustrated and so pissed off I have to just walk away before I lose it and start destroying shit.

    If someone shows me how to do something and I use that skill on a regular basis I can remember how it's done. However my memory ( the one in my head, not whats in the computer ) is so bad that unless I have a "cheat sheet" with the individual steps written down that I can follow I often times can't do what to others are simple tasks. This being a ward of the State and being paid for being a certified nut case does have it's good points, still to have a fully functional brain again would be better.
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  17. Hammer

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    Record the fun and mathem so the rest of us can live vicariously thru your adventure! Don't break nuttin' 'specially da bones!
    I knew when I went that going during DV Daze would be more social fun. School schedule simply limited me to December.
    Hope the weather cooperates!
    Ride down Titus canyon! It was a high point for me! Amazing!

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  18. R-dubb

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    Sorry can't help with mental problems......

    Ok, Open JL's file in Mapsource.

    In the left hand table, click the upper tab that says tracks.
    Then right click and delete the one that says Day Four.
    Now, right click and select the show on map option for Day Three. You will see that track displayed in yellow on the map. Now you can right click the title again and rename it to Goler wash or any other name you wish. I would do the same for the other tracks and keep them in you GPS wiith a name that makes sense. Unless of course you have no use for the others. In which case, go ahead and delete them with the right click technique.

    Make sense?

    OK, just to make it even simpler. Here is a file with JUST GOLER....:evil :evil

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  19. Mr. Cob

    Mr. Cob Howling "Mad", Adventurer

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    Howdy R-Dubb,

    Thank you, and I mean that sincerely.:clap I have printed this post and will use it for future reference.:deal

    As too the helping with mental problems, don't worry, I can handle it, most of my most insane thoughts and actions take place while I am supposedly lucid. :wink: :evil :lol3 :rofl How else can I explain riding with the likes of you and Jean Luc.
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    Was Don the one we hauled off the hill up in Idaho City? If he is how's the Ural and what did it take to fix it? :D
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