Need surveillance camera advice!

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by facetjoint, Apr 19, 2012.

  1. facetjoint

    facetjoint TONKA

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    I am needing to hook up at least one surveillance camera on the outside of my house. I don't know the first thing clue of what to look for in a camera and anything else that goes with it.


    Here is what I do know and what I'd like for it to do. It will need to be in the AZ. sun. Hanging from the eave of the house. Possibly extended out a few feet so I can get a view of the sidewalk at the side of the house. It can be battery operated or I have household electricity near by as well. I will need the thing to record activity on demand or motion activated. Showing date and time. I don't need 23 hours or recorded non activity and 1/2 hour of activity.

    Now I need to have this camera store the activity info. on a computer several days worth so I can have access to it.

    The end result is I am getting some vandalism from kids throwing rocks. Not gravel, rocks 2 to 5 lb. rocks at the house and my dog. In trying to catch them all I get is "nobody saw nuttin" Thus as I have no proof of who did it. I am screwed. I have come very close to being hit more than once. They toss the rocks over my 6 foot tall block wall fence. They have no idea what or who is on the other side.

    I have asked them time and again nicely to not throw rocks. They shrug their shoulders and walk away. It could be one of a couple hundred kids. As this street is a feeder street for kids walking to school. I am not the only one . All the neighbors have the same problem as well.

    I just need to catch them. Give the info. to the cops. Let a few get their little butts reamed by the cops. And put a stop to it.

    Thanks
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  2. mrphotoman

    mrphotoman Long timer

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    foscam internet cam

    i have 2 and love them.

    wired or wireless

    2 way audio

    records when motion detected

    can email you photos via your gmail

    can record to your computer or directly to a sd card

    can upload to a ftp site or dropbox

    can view live on your smartphone and record live from your smartphone and you have 2 way audio/chat from your smartphone

    under $100

    buy it direct from their site and google their name plus coupon to get 15% off

    mine pan and tilt 300 degrees or you can get the outdoor models
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  3. facetjoint

    facetjoint TONKA

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    Thanks, that gives me a good place to start. One thing I forgot to mention. And you did. Is that I'd like as much range as possible. meaning 180 degrees range or more. This looks like a good option.

    Thanks again!
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  4. moymurfs

    moymurfs Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!

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    Whatever you get make sure it can get a CLEAR picture of a face at the distance your dealing with. A video of 4 figures coming up to your fence and the figure with the white shirt is throwing a rock is still pretty much useless if it has to stand on its own.

    (Just from LEO experience)
    Good luck
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  5. tgeliot

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    I haven't dealt with them directly but I'm on the board at my condo association and we've been through some of this. We had some that were wireless and eventually gave up on them and went to hard-wired models.

    Good luck.
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  6. facetjoint

    facetjoint TONKA

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    Yes, thanks thus far. From what I am reading. The hard wired units seem to have more of what I want it to do!
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  8. Kiwi Bush Rider

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    Some of the trail cameras now have a direct link to your cell phone as well as an Infra red flash extender also I've seen a rock camera on eBay with a 1year outdoor battery life & up to 24hrs continuous footage camera records when motion is detected & stops 2mins after the last movement
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  9. trc.rhubarb

    trc.rhubarb ZoomSplat!

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    Outside and in the sun...
    You will catch motion every time a car comes by even if you dont watch the street just from the reflection off the glass. You will want a quality camera because the image on most are very low res and few have an actual optical zoom to enhance from your house to the street.

    Got a nice video camera you can hook to a laptop or pc and sit near your front window? It will have much better optical quality and be protected from the elements. Use a fisheye attachment and you should be able to capture enough of the front to cover what you need.

    Lots of software that can do motion detection capturing. Last time I needed this, it cost me nothing I even mounted the camera inside a silver mylar bag to keep it from being seen and stolen. Caught the janitor stealing from my office. :eek1
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  10. jraugie1

    jraugie1 How hard can it be?

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    They have lots of stuff to choose from and some brand name gear. Also Costco and MicroCenter have cheap and crappy systems for low money. I have been doing security cams for 20 years and I can tell you one thing, you get what you pay for. There are lots of options like day/nite operation, pan and tilt, IP vs analog, wireless and wired, auto-iris lens for outdoor use, and FOV calculations. Do some homework and put some thought into laying out the system for best coverage. Security is vitally important and people just buy cheap and then get f****ed when something actually happens and it didn't deter, detect, or document the incident. Then they call in a professional.
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  11. facetjoint

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    My dilemma is that I live on a corner lot. I need the 'EYE" to see what is going on on a side of my house that we don't use as living space. Because one wall is a outside garage wall, And outside access to a storage room. And that wall is finished out by my work room.

    So with no activity on that side of the house. I don't know when the rocks come flying over the wall till I find them the next day. I noticed today I have one of these rocks on the roof of my house. Not a big deal really. But if I had it on film. I bet the cops would ream some butt. Plus the camera will need to be extended out away from the house on some type of support rod??? to get good shots of traffic on the side walk. If I just put it on the peak of the roof of my house. Then my block wall would hide from the camera who is walking down the side walk. Thus who the culprits are.

    So I am needing to get something that fits this bill???
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  12. taoist

    taoist Shenanigans Planner

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    ^^
    This. I tried the DIY method and then got excellent results when we hired a pro.
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  13. facetjoint

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    Yes, I am sure you both are perfectly correct on all accounts. But Trying to decide all the who,what, where, and finally how much is like asking what kind of oil should I put in the LCD lens in the camera? It one of those I dunno things because I really dunno!
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  14. stepink104

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    i am a alarm and security tech for diebold inc,for the dyi person check out web site x10.com decent home security.
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  15. facetjoint

    facetjoint TONKA

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    Thanks, I'll check it out for sure!
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  16. Tupperware

    Tupperware Been here awhile

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    I feel sorry for you. You are in a very tough situation. A camera extended on an arm such as you describe will probably become the new target for the rocks. Not sure why you think a "reaming" from the cops will have any effect on these kids. Presumably a decade, or more, of loving attention by their parents didn't instill any common decency in them, why do you think a 60 second lecture from a stranger would help?
    Only way to get their attention is to cause the parents themselves actual grief. Make them reach into their wallets to repair damage, or miss work to stand up with their kids in court. Where are the rocks coming from? Any way to remove the source of ammo?
    Around here, the school system would get their security folks involved as they are responsible for the kids from when they walk out the door in the morning to when they cross the threshold again after school.
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  17. Tsotsie

    Tsotsie Semi-reformed Tsotsi

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    A 'sign' out front did wonders at our factory - stopped trash dumpers and was a lot cheaper that a camara!
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  18. Disco Stu

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    stay away from foscam. I bought three of them on Jan 1st of this year. In the first six months, I've had 4 failures. Each original unit has failed.

    Turn around time for replacements is about 1.5 weeks. I normally get their confirmation that they've received my return 2-3 business days after UPS shows deliverying the camera.

    The warranty is for 1 year, but after 90 days, you have to pay $7 for the replacement unit to be shipped.

    My fourth unit is currently in their possession and they are estimating 30 days before they can send out a replacement, of any color.
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  19. SnowMule

    SnowMule [angry moth noises]

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    If they're school-age kids walking to/from school, take a morning/afternoon off and hang out with a decent camera and long-ish lens.
    The headache of setting up a 24-hour system for something you know happens in a certain period of time seems like a waste of resources.

    Game cams work well, but with their wide lenses you'll get better results installing them close to the location you want monitored.
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  20. Disco Stu

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    I use a program called Blue Iris that runs on my home computer and controls just about any type of network camera. It's only $40.

    benefits for you:
    1: you can set it to record when motion is triggered.
    2: you can set a schedule, so that only that motion-triggered recording happens during certain times of the day.
    3: if you install their smartphone app, it can send you text messages when motion is detected.
    4: it can send you emails when motion is detected with a couple of still shots.
    5: you can use a web browser to view your cameras anywhere, if you have a static ip or dynamic dns service(about $20/year).
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