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Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by Infracaninophile, May 8, 2012.
Enjoy those scoots, I would love to add a BV350 to the garage!
Welcome to the club. Think you'll be surprised at how many folks are riding scooters that came from the motorcycle world. Some of us dabble in both.
I'm a huge fan of the BV350, and trying to not be jealous of your recent acquisitions!
Check out Modern Vespa, since both of you are on Piaggio products. Great info there.
This is an interesting thread. Maybe someone can recommend the "optimum" scooter for a motorcycle guy, 1050 Tiger, that is suitable for knocking around doing grocery shopping, taking on gravel roads to hiking trails, will exceed 60 mph on the road, and of course get's excellent fuel mileage and easy to pick up if I drop it on one of the gravel/rutted roads. I'm 6-0", 32" inseam.
I'm sort of intrigued with the 125 Zuma. The 12" wheels don't appeal to me though.
I once had a 650 KLR. Maybe I just need another one of these.
The Beverly is a cool bike. How is it on gravel roads?
I think maybe you're trying to combine activities that are not necessarily in the sweet spot of what scooters are good for.
A used Honda Rukus might fill the ticket, but most other scooters typically have either plastic or metal bodywork covering them. Dumping them on gravel roads would be a costly activity.
For the other purposes, there are tons of good scooters that would check the boxes. Personally, I'd suggest 250cc or less (Kymco People 200, SYM HD 200, Vespa/Piaggio/Aprilia 150/200/250, Honda PCX, etc.
If you want light and gravel road capable, if it was me I'd be shopping for a KLR250s or some other small dual sport. Maybe the other folks here will suggest otherwise. Sorry for contributing to the topic change..
You should probably start a separate thread for this question. You'll get plenty of responses.
Hmmm. I can say for sure that the expensive, all metal bodied Vespa will never leave the pavement. I'd have no issue with the BV350 on very light offroading but it doesn't have a skid plate and most of the drive train is hanging on the swing arm pretty closed to the ground. I would not think either of our scoots would be good for off road.
OK at least the BV 500 but its not really designed for it. I'm a wuss on gravel after dropping a Burgman on my ankle going over Boreas Pass between Breckenridge & Como., I have. My husband takes our Sports City 250 on dirt roads up in Breckenridge, CO and continued down the dirt roads (some with what I'd consider sand pits, funny watching all that sand flying but he made it out w/o dumping) of several national parks in Utah on our trip last year. Photos including some of the dirt roads from that trip are on my blog http://cheryldwise.com/?p=178
I don't know of any scoot that is really designed for off-road use. Otherwise I might pick up a smaller displacement scoot for Breckenridge in the 150ish range since there are some nice trails around there.
I much prefer the upgright seating position on the BV/Scarabeo/Vespa etc. than the Burgman we used to own. They also handle much better to me though I know many folks who prefer the maxiscoot position.
I've had the Burgman on some relatively tame fire-roads, not really awful etc, but it was definitely not in it's element.
@ 600 lb's + whatever I stuffed in it I assure you I was taking it easy & taking no chances.
Wanted a topcase for the BV350.
The reviews of the Piaggio 350 tail box and mount were not that great. I decided to go the Givi route. On Modernvespa.com there was a person from the UK who has a BV350 who stated that the Givi rear rack mount for the BV300 is the same for the 350. He actually had one mounted on his bike. I could not find a US supplier anywhere who listed what I wanted even when I searched under BV300.
The Givi part number is E349. You remove the little plastic top piece on the rear rack of the BV350 and the Givi piece bolts into place. You can then use any Givi MonoLock (MonoLock, not MonoKey) top box.
I had to look for a while but finally found a place in Europe who would ship to the US and ordered the Givi E349 piece. Shipping was expensive and the whole part + shipping came out to almost $90 USD.
I already have a 30 litre Givi Monolock box so I just needed the mount. This just a FYI for anyone in the US looking for a rear top box who doesn't want to use the Piaggio one.
I got my part at this link. This is just the mounting plate. When you buy a MonoLock case you get a universal mounting base that will then attach to the piece specific to the BV350.
Here's a shot of the part and installation instructions from Givi. This was a PDF I found somewhere and downloaded.
Piaggio's topcases are premium priced, and when compared to other specialized topcase manufacturers like Givi they don't even come close.
That being said, I own a Vespa topcase and its 6 years old and has held up just fine and is most attractively designed visually...but if/when I get MY BV350 I'll be going Givi as well.
Cool weather today in the high 40's/low 50's so thought I'd pass on riding. But my wife had a hair appointment today for 2+ hours so I grabbed my jacket and took the BV350 out. Was just going to go for a little 10 mile ride but came back 2.5 hours later with 110 miles for the day. A bit of everything including about 25 miles on the interstate at 65-75 to connect one road to another. No issues at all. The bike has averaged about 64+ MPG so far on my fill ups and the bit of high speed running on the interstate seemed to have no effect on the MPG.
Going to check the oil, learn how to check the trans, and check the air pressure tomorrow and then take it out again. This was my first 100 mile scooter day and I had absolutely no issues. I think I'll try a 150-200 miler the next time it's nice and warm.
...by what a Vespa can do...
....and where you can find yourself:
My GTS gave up after 10,000 miles but I liked it a lot before the electrics gave out on it.
Over time you will find yourself using your scooter more and more , plain and simple its just easier to get it out and about .
Then the more you can carry on your scooter the more possibilities and opportunities you will have to make use of it . I too
drove motorcycles for years , 50 years to be exact . I went to a scooter and a Big Ruckus in particular for two reasons , I was
sick to death of all that shifting around town , and the Big Ruckus could carry a mega trunk . Im a retired bachelor and in the
summer I find that the Big Ruckus easily takes care of 90% of my transportation needs . While some thing like this is not for
every one , it works well for me and my son who has one just like it . For me the rule is the more I can carry on it the more I use
I couldn't get comfortable on one, and I'm 5'11".
Had more then a few rides on the 300 (looks the same) and the 350
recently. The Kymco People 300 has A LOT more room on board.
I kept pushing myself back in the buttstop, but couldn't push myself
as much as I wanted on the BV.
The bolded part - Tmax got that years ago..
I'm 6 1/4" with a 33-34" inseam. I fit comfortable. I did a 110 mile ride w/o stopping (getting off the bike) on Saturday and was absolutely fine. I found the bike just as comfortable as most other bikes I've had. My other rides are a KTM950 and a BMW R100GSPD (old airhead) which are much larger bikes. I think I could do a 250-500 mile day on this bike.
Just commuted to work today for the first time. Felt wonderful.
congrats on the BV350 and the Super
Some boxes from Scooter Works and ScootersWest (mostly) are arriving. All of these are parts for my wife's Vespa.
So far have decided to add:
1. Sidestand - The US GTS models do not come with a sidestand which is weird. It means my wife has to dismount and then put the bike on the center stand. I assume this is a legal thing. I found a Vespa OEM sidestand that is self-retracting and it will mount to the bike with the existing mounting point. Conversely, my Piaggo BV350 came with a sidestand standard that is NOT self-retracting but does have a safety switch. Smart and fool proof. Will install this later today. It seems 50/50 whether people like these or not. Doesn't matter, wife wants it.
2. Windshield. The Vespa did not come with any windshield on the model we got. But the good news is that there are lots of options. Initial order was the OEM short Vespa screen and the mid-height smoked Faco screen. Each comes with mounting hardware so once the windshield is assembled it doesn't take very long to switch from one to the other. I think she might go with the mid-height until the middle of summer and then switch to the shorter.
3. Bling. She wants bling. Since the entire body of the Vespa is metal, and she saw these on another used scooter, I ordered the chrome OEM Vespa rear crash bars. On their way now. Pending install. Bling
4. Rear Givi rack on it's way from Canada (via eBay) along with a 30L Givi top box in white on it's way from Amazon. Pending Install. Top box is primarily to put the helmet in while she's at work. She wears a full face and doesn't like carrying it.
5. Front rack. I think she wants to put her briefcase here. Not sure. Might just be bling. OEM Vespa ordered as it mounts via 3 holes you drill with a template instead of hanging brackets over the top and bottom. Should arrive today. Pending Install.
Enjoy, but be careful with the side stand on the Vespa. They self-retract when the weight is off the scoot and if you aren't ready for it, the scoot can be on the ground. Also, don't use it where the ground is uneven or soft, or where it may get bumped by passers by.
I have one on my GT200 and I like it for limited purposes, but it doesn't work like a regular motorcycle stand.
YUP ! the side stands aren't worth a damn , I never NEVER EVER use mine .