New 2012 Honda NC700X 700cc Parallel Twin!

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Two Plugs, Sep 27, 2011.

  1. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    I forgot about that stuff completely.

    I used to tour on my 650R in cycling shorts under my regular jeans.
    It doubled the usable seat time.
    $25-30 fix.
  2. beemerphile

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    Well, the company I retired from makes the anti-monkey butt powder, so I am aware of that. TRUE crusty old long-distance kilo-mile riders use this stuff designed for cows...

    http://www.bagbalm.com

    In the excellent technical review article that was posted on the 700 engine design, much was spoken of the requirement of the engine to meet a "mature rider's" expectations. Well, Honda, that extends to the seat as well. It is OK if the engine throbs a bit, but not "the boys". I don't think it is entirely a positioning problem, because lacking Mike Cash's refined deportment and genteel upbringing, I am not embarrassed to tell them when and where to sit. I don't like that the angle forces you down towards the false tank. I WILL solve this problem.

    Further to improvement of the bike I will look to improve the budget suspension. Honda seems forever intent on providing too much springing and not enough damping. Or maybe I have just been on BMW's too long. The front needs a complete re-valve and re-springing and the rear shock needs replacement with an Ohlins or Wilbers unit. I may see if I can get one that will drop the rear by 16mm to put the ride height back where it started after the addition of a 160/70 rear tire to replace the 160/60. This will allow fitment of the BMW K1200LT specific Metzeler Marathon tires that run about 18,000 miles. The front is already the "correct size".

    Givi is already cataloging some good stuff for the bike including the mounts for the G35 bags, a windshield, and engine guards. Revzilla confirmed to me that they can special order the bag mounts. I will check today whether the engine guards and windshield are likewise available. The Honda protection bar looks to be ornamental and they even advertise it's "rugged adventure look". I am not going for the look.

    This will be fun. To those non-farklers who would say "leave it the F alone", I cannot. Farkling is hereditary, however, most of my stuff works out and that which doesn't is usually reversible.
  3. sendler

    sendler Been here awhile

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    It is a good tech article on the new NC700 engine but all the part about " a pleasing rumble" is heavily flavored with marketing speak. What they really meant to say is "we wanted a twin instead of a four for cost and fuel economy and the 270* crank was the best set of compromises.
  4. beemerphile

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    I'm not so sure. With the slightly uneven fuel charge and the uneven firing pulses, I think the statements reflect the reality of putting a measured rumble in the motor. It is "marketing speak" but the engineers had to translate that objective into metal. I would bet that they could deliver a dead smooth "electric motor" feel if they wanted to do so. I also agree with them that it would make it seem more like an appliance than a machine and would reduce its appeal to much of the market. Funny to "design in" some vibration, but I buy the story.
  5. Chuckracer

    Chuckracer Jerkus Maximus

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    I applaud Honda for NOT going with the Japanese cartoon inspired Ray-Gun exhaust.
  6. jules083

    jules083 Long timer

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    Sorry to quote this again, but I have to say that is exactly how my dad rides my XRR. It works quite well once you get the hang of it.

    He starts it first on the side stand, then gets off and uses this method. It's funny seeing him standing next to his bike at red lights. :lol3
  7. bluesman

    bluesman Long timer

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    Oh come on :D I think it is other way round. First it is engineered and then after sales guys felt it - marketing put's their spin on it. It's just good layout for motor, this is why.
    You can't design electric smooth motor with this arrangement. Unless you have variable balancer shaft system :wink:

    I must admit I do like that part. The engine rumble.
  8. beemerphile

    beemerphile Long timer

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    I just confirmed from Revzilla that they can special order all of the N700x specific Givi parts. I ordered the D1111ST Windscreen, V35 bags, PLX1111 bag mounts, 1111KIT for using the bags without the mono rack, and the TN1111 engine protection bars. It looks like Solomoto claims to have most of this "available", but I had never ordered from them and already had a good relationship with Revzilla.

    Honda says that their tall shield is made of clear PVC. I find that choice hard to believe, but that would not be very durable. I cannot find out what the Givi screen is made of, but I am hoping for acrylic. Better, I think, to have a chance at something better than to accept something I know to be a bad choice.
  9. Marylander

    Marylander Been here awhile

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    Didn't honda have an ad for the original goldwing that had a wine glass sitting on top of one of the heads while the bike was revved? I have some vague recollection of something like that.
  10. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

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    Right, but you have to start at 0 MPH the last time I checked and there is no way a person can average 85 MPH on a 700x either. I read the article as 'speeds up to 85 MPH' and that sounds about right for us Californians.

    sendlersMMV
  11. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

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    You have discovered power to weight ratios and aerodynamics. The 700x is a naked bike plain and simple with very little HP. I hope to be proven wrong when I buy one, but I expect to find myself to be far closer to 47 mpg than 70 mpg yet I still want one for a commuter.
  12. Maytag Repairman

    Maytag Repairman Been here awhile

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    I ordered the PL1111 bag mounts from Solomoto and the Trekker33 bags from Twisted Throttle. Solomoto didn't have the bags in stock as a pair with matching locks and I think Twisted Throttle had the bags in stock and at a cheaper price than Revzilla but they didn't have the mounts. I will definitely pipe up if I run into any problems.

    I am thinking about ordering the Givi screen next. I like the breeze on me now but colder, rainy weather is just a month or two away.

    I am looking for options for putting more lights on the front. Since the Europeans have had their bikes longer I've been searching their forums to see what they have been doing but haven't found anything yet. I've already ordered SW Motech guards which I think will not fit with the Honda light bar. I might just try mounting them right on the guards. I know a mechanic who is good at making custom brackets. I will stop by at his shop Saturday to see if he has any ideas.
  13. Towjam

    Towjam Been here awhile

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    What's the link to the article?

    thanks!
  14. sendler

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    my bike is 100% naked, not one plastic on it.

    this gives it the aerodynamics of a brick

    i'd expect 60+ mpg out of this
  16. Elam

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    Saw one today on my lunch hour in Ann Arbor, with pillion. I think its a good looking bike.

    Saw, not heard tho.:D
  17. EetsOK

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    So two things are happening there: The skin is being kept dry and the amount of friction between the skin and the outer layer of clothing is reduced. With these special shorts, there is no friction between the skin and the cloting, all the friction happenes between the two layers of clothing.
    The key to long distance riding is usually not a seat issue, but a skin care issue.
  18. beemerphile

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    I think that had much to do with the cat being bolted to the exhaust ports rather than being part of the muffler.
  19. beemerphile

    beemerphile Long timer

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    It is both. The proper distribution of pressure is not accomplished by skin care.
  20. Mike Cash

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    You could have been riding on it and you would barely have heard it.

    The guys I rode with last weekend commented that while at red lights together they couldn't hear my bike running at all.