New 2012 Honda NC700X 700cc Parallel Twin!

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Two Plugs, Sep 27, 2011.

  1. eakins

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    i can agree w/ that as the auto tranny takes the feel out of the experience.
    it's also the same in mexico too. people floor it to the next light jamb on the brakes. what a waste of gas and brakes. my guess is most do not know how to corner a vehicle properly and really drive it and thus just rely on that fast rush of straight acceleration as the only exciting part. can't say how many times i've been behind cars and bikes in the us and mex. and they accelerate like crazy straight ahead and then drive painfully slow when the curves hit. most people have no clue even what happens under a hood and my guess is the major of motorcyclist might not how their machines truely work either. scooter owners don't even care as it transportation only.
  2. eakins

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    only 1 country away things are very different.
    here in mex only 1-9 people own a car.
    the 125/150cc scooter or motorcycle is the most affordable way to own transportation w/ a motor thus they're everywhere.

    here is the workhorse - about $1200
    http://www.honda.mx/motos/tool/

    they look at my dr650 as a massive bike and i just laugh as it's "small" in the us. bigger is better mentality is the American disease that has forced the motorcycle mfg to respond.


  3. eakins

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    i see those old style ones everywhere here.
    here's the newer one being sold. it's 100cc and also around $1500
    http://www.honda.mx/motos/wave/
    it has a 4 speed clutchless tranny. guess that's mexico DCT :-)

  4. eakins

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    one thing mexico honda nailed is this bike - $6100
    http://www.honda.mx/motos/falcon/
    it's the legendary xr400 street legal w/ electric start.
    this would make a great ds/adv bike in the US.
  5. GrahamD

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    Totally agree, but having gone from a smaller bike to a larger one, a while back, both with broad spreads of torque, I find that the bike with the lower revving spread to be less fatiguing over a trip.

    I think it was Suzuki, many years back that came out with a litre bike that actually produced good torque under 6000RPM. Very popular refinement. You could use it every day without shuffling gears constantly. This was one reason many "old farts" liked the BMW's of the day. They were just easy to use.

    I suppose if you were comparing two turbine smooth motors it would work, but the smaller high revving motor was never as relaxing to ride.

    That NC dyno graph, doesn't really show the speed at the time the revs are rising so it's a bit deceptive in that regard.

    Anyway, I will wait till I ride one before I make any real judgments on the thing.
  6. Ze_zaskar

    Ze_zaskar Been here awhile

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    On my post I was obviously talking about big bikes, in the sense of <600cm3, and their use as daily vehicles.

    Like TonyBKK you completly ignored the many times I refered the economical BIG bikes on my post. Also, it's pretty obvious that many countries in the world are populated by small, economical scooters/bikes, but that misses the point of my post. I was talking about bike usage mainly in America and Europe (yes, there is more westernized world besides America).

    Seems to me that my post was somewhat missunderstod. I was talking about how a large displacement morotcycle with low fuel consumption and maintenance can be a valid and atractive daily transport alternative in countries where car usage is the norm. Clearer now?


    Edit: and yes, the NC700X, sold for 6000&#8364; here in Portugal, can be considered a cheap bike, in the context of my post
  7. RaY YreKa

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    Yup.

    ADV is a world-wide site with a USA bias; threads/posts about swapping Ohlins into a stock bike that costs $12,000+, for instance, are fairly common, but 95% of the world will never have that luxury.

    I posted on another forum that the cheapest I can get a US gallon within a 10-mile radious of my house is $7.92, while some USA based riders were bristling at $3.19 a gallon.
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    Half of the world's people earn less than $1000 per year, getting a bicycle is a major upgrade in economic opportunity.
  9. TonyBKK

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    Comparing the NC700 to a Versys or a Wee is a stretch IMO.

    The NC700 moto-scooter is only a bit cheaper, but is heavier and significantly less powerful than both.

    Comparing scooters and motorcycles is a bit of an apples-oranges comparison, no? :wink:
  10. scooterspirit

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    I can see what you mean, that because it is down on hp, it's not even in the same class as the other two. Very similar riding position between the three however.
  11. eakins

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    so has anyone gone down to their honda dealer and put down a deposit???
    we can & do talk till we're blue in the face, sales are the true test if this bike flies or not. been reading how 2012 strom sales are doing well.
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    Trying to decide if this or a Deauville will better suit me... so torn.
  13. Grainbelt

    Grainbelt marginal adventurer Super Moderator

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    Wouldn't it be nice if you could get a test ride?


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  14. 2whl-hoop

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    In the latest issue of BIKE they had a short review of this bike, and they reported 50% better mileage than the Kawasaki 650 twin. 64mpg for the Honda vs. 42mpg for the Kawi, and the Honda had a top speed run done on that tank of gas.
  15. scooterspirit

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    Here is a fuelly log of the NC700x. Average 67.8 US for the first 800miles- she gets better than my 250.
    Looks like it holds an honest 3 gallons, two entries with 220 miles between fill ups.
    http://www.fuelly.com/driver/serfiesa/nc700x
  16. varaman

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    Where did you read that?
  17. turbodieseli4i6

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    I wonder if he was using the odometer or GPS? My Honda has a very optimistic odometer.
    That is the kind of mileage I wanted to hear! I get around 30 mpg in this cold weather on my Goldwing 1200 I.
    I do have a tendency to open her up frequently though. If I keep it at 55mph and lower, and ride with an easy hand I can get around 47mpg.
  18. nails1

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    I just read this whole freekin thread in one sitting -- guess 'cause it started out funny (dead horse on post 24).

    One point: Think you'll have trouble finding DCT on a scooter. It's a lot different from CVT ("rubber-band") on Mana, or conventional automatic in a Pontiac. DCT has low power losses like manual trans, because basically is a manual trans -- but can shift/clutch much faster. And yeah, it can do that when I don't really want to think about it, too. Sounds like a good idea to me (even if some car reviewers aren't fond of "flappy paddles"). DCT will show up on race bikes, just as race cars.


    I wish more bikes offered DCT option, and I consider that one of the best parts of this NC offering. (See, not really a hijack after all.)

    (DCT is more like the shuttle shift on my backhoe than the CVT of the Mana. But that probably doesn't help my argument very much.)

    Guess we'll have to wait for some comparos and real numbers. Or our own test rides. Just like others said about 500 posts ago.
  19. GrahamD

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    Hey at least DCT is easier to pronounce for English speakers than "Doppelkupplungsgetriebe".

    Don't know what the Japanese pronunciation would be.

    Small mercies and all that..
  20. potski

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    I wasn't refering toTransalps in my earlier post, but as you brought it up....Transalps, yes they are old these days, but I have yet to find anything I like better, mine aren't in pieces, they do however transport myself, wife and all our camping kit around the Pyrenees pretty well I would say; torque enough there I assure you...:clap

    I just wish as most do that Honda would give us a real world Transalp/Africa Twin modern replacement really, bet you do too.

    Cheers
    Potski :freaky