New 2012 Honda NC700X 700cc Parallel Twin!

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Two Plugs, Sep 27, 2011.

  1. bluesman

    bluesman Long timer

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    Indeed. Part of my dislike for NC comes from sheer frustration - I was SO hoping they will make contemporary AT or TA - with some lovely 90 degrees twin deriving from Superhawk or Varadero or just parallel twin a-la Yamaha TDM. I am sure interest amongst riders would be great. They failed to deliver this with TA700 simply because of parts bin approach (= heavy)

    I actually like old TAs - 600 and first 650 - dependable, predictable and neutral handling. And old AT - 650 (supercool bike).
    Except of course when I have to fix pistons/rings :( because of amount of work required to remove all bits and pieces and need to take motor out - TA pretty intense for old bike. And I am spoiled by simplicity of my Suzuki DR800 and Honda Superhawk 1000.

    I secretly was hoping they would build light Varadero with same motor :) because I love that engine but hate 270 kg of bulk on Vara.
  2. potski

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    Yes, it seems so obvious, why oh why don't Honda make the machine we are all hankering for. Each time a new bike comes into the fray we hope this is it ...the 700 Transalp and now the nc700x in their current forms at least are unfortunatly not.
    BTW, just did a big service on my 88 Alp, and had forgotten what a pain the tappets are to do, especially when every one of them was fine when I eventually got to them.....still love them though.:D

    Cheers
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  3. nails1

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    No need for German -- just "dual-clutch transmission". Instead of a clutch between the trans and engine, it has a clutch on each countershaft. Odd-numbered gears are on one countershaft, and even ones on the other. When shifting from 1st to 2nd, 1st-gear countershaft clutch is closed, and other clutch is open. It engages 2nd gear, then opens the 1st countershaft clutch whilst closing the 2nd countershaft clutch. The clutches and shift forks are under electro-servo control, but otherwise it's just a conventional manual trans.

    CVT is a belt between two pulleys that can change diameter, much like the "torque converter" centrifugal clutch I put on my go-cart in 1976. Because the pulleys can vary over the range, it's "continuously-variable" (the Mana circuitry jumps across this continuum in pseudo-gears). AFAIK, all mopeds use CVT. Kinda cool in my Murano, but DCT is way cooler.

    Last year we took the Mini Cooper down the Pacific Coast Hwy. Driving briskly, we got passed by a Ferrari. It's DCT was definitely cool, especially all wound out. But it's okay with me if working the clutch and shift forks manually is mo' cooler for you.

    One journo noted that the NC needed paddling, and that automating that (DCT) made a lot of sense (he was on non-DCT). I have trouble reconciling that with the purported wide powerband. Also not sure how DCT would really feel at the NC's more pedestrian rpms. At this point, it's too much reading and too little riding. Just like your post #2 said it would be.
  4. edgey999

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    Inital feelings after a couple of hundred miles

    Fuel consumption - 79mpg :-)

    Good points

    Comfortable, much quicker than its weight/power figure suggest, GREAT gearbox (dont waste your money on the DCT), great riding position, really easy to ride, handling is safe, good quality (see below), good clocks, brilliant fuel consumption (70mph = 3300rpm)

    Bad points

    Seat is "BMW Firm" (might be numb bum after a couple of hours), suspension can get harsh over poor surfaces, fuel cap and rear seat stay are "cheap", indicator switch position needs some getting used to, radiator is very exposed (getting an R&G rad cover). Thats it
    Overall

    If you are looking for a cheap to run, cheap to buy, well built, comfortable commuter/all rounder this is a good choice. I am very happy, so far........ :clap

    PS Tutoro chain oiler is A1 (for £17 lol)
  5. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

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    That's good to hear, almost all bikes improve after break in. :thumb
  6. GrahamD

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    Same here, but when I get to ride one I will see what it's like in the real world.

    I suspect you just have to get away from a certain mentality. Maybe put the mind in "Cruiser mode" and chill out a bit.
  7. Cruz

    Cruz Lost but laughing.

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    Graham, when are they hitting dealers floors in Oz?
  8. Discojon75

    Discojon75 Been here awhile

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    How do you feel about putting any sort of distance on it? Does it feel like it will be comfortable for longer than a half hour?
  9. eakins

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    guys on stromtropper and vrsi plus a few here who are upgrading to/getting one. the bike is well received with a large majority of existing strom owners plus those who didn't like gen 1 but now like gen 2.
  10. eakins

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    gotta say Honda nailed the mpg with the motor.
    gotta a pic?

  11. MikeyR

    MikeyR Been here awhile

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    They aint, I read somewhere that we are only getting the S version here, not they X.
  12. nails1

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    Edgey999, thank you very much for your reviews.

    Yeah. Is the NC anything like a naked NT?
  13. edgey999

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    I think it would be fine for its fuel tank range (250 miles +) about 3-4 hours riding, no problems. In all fairness i have not found many seats good for more than 3-4 hours in the saddle without numb bum (inc an ST1300 and a GS1200 Adv)

    I dont think it would have any problem doing touring. In fact i am thinking of using it to go to France again this year.
  14. GrahamD

    GrahamD Long timer

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    I emailed Honda and they gave me an exact date of "Early 2012" NC700S Only.
  15. Cruz

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    Thanks Graham.
  16. GrahamD

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    Probably a better Street bike that the X but having just re-acquainted myself with some NSW back roads, more suspension travel is never a bad thing.

    I'll still be having a ride though. The shorter suspension may be better, since they don't look that beefy.
  17. zuma

    zuma Been here awhile

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    Apparently Honda Australia feel that the X could take sales away from the Crossrunner (or vice versa) hence we'll only get the S.
  18. GrahamD

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    They definitely are different bikes, but I suppose it may get people confused about pricing.
    Seeing an NC at X and thinking they were looking at a VFR, then getting all deflated at the dealer.

    But I don't think you could confused the two after riding them (conjecture on my part).

    I bloody hope not :lol3
  19. Two Plugs

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    How could that happen? It's an (in NL it is) € 6.000,- difference in price! I think both bikes appeal to different customers. And knowing that the Crossrunner already was ancient at its introduction the choice would be easy:

    Buy for that money one of the last XL1000V Varadero's (oh, sorry... not available in the US...:norton ) . For an Crossrunner pricetag you will be able to get a full spec model.
  20. zuma

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    The Crossrunner mechanicals may be ancient, but hoo boy is that motor a winner! I've ridden various Viffers over the years and while loving the character of the motor, felt it was a bit weak kneed in the mid-range; not any more.

    A friend of mine bought one of the last Varadero's around, he felt he got a bargain, now not so sure. He finds it too top heavy, as well as too heavy in general. He's lowered the suspension front and rear, still not happy with it. I doubt he'll have it much longer. There's a lesson there, don't just buy because a bike's cheap.

    And yes, the NC700 is a very different bike. I'm very keen to ride one.