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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by Two Plugs, Sep 27, 2011.
But... It has a beak! I has to be an off-road bike right?
DAMN.....the BEAK!!!!!!! How could I have missed it? You're right, its got to have some off road cred with such an awesome beak.
Do we have these in the states yet? Big Red's website says summer, local dealer says August, but a search on Cycle Trader yielded several results. Guess I will call and find out.
100 CC's = 3.38 ounces. If a bike gets 50 mpg, that means a complete evaporative cycle as you describe it causes 1.32 mpg to be lost through evaporation each time the half full fuel tank is allowed to go through a full heat cycle (50/128 = .39 miles per ounce of fuel x 3.38 = 1.32). This does not account for the percentage of vapor not lost due to condensation of the vapor in the venting system with the possibility that some of that condensate is drawn back into the tank as it cools.
While that certainly had the potential to effect fuel mileage, I suspect it was almost inconsequential. Precision is what accounts for the comparatively stellar mileage achieved by a bike like the 800 ST. Precision in combustion chamber design, precision in control of fuel and air delivery achieved by modern fuel injection, precision in the regulation of engine temperature, precision in machining to reduce frictional losses, and also the introduction of much, much better lubricants.
Nowadays many motorcycles are equipped with evaporative emission systems to capture those precious fuel vapors and return them to the intake to become part of the combustion process, as they were originally intended. Many of us who've owned BMW motorcycles over the last 12 or so years have had the charcoal canister clog. This very situation happened to me on a 10 day trip across Eastern Canada, the Maritimes, and New England. On an injected vehicle the fuel pump is strong enough to keep pumping until the pressure in the tank becomes so low the tank actually starts to collapse. That was how I discovered my clogged canister. I had to pry the gas cap open at the gas station, only to hear the whooshing sound as the tank refilled with air. The interesting thing about all of this is for the subsequent month in which the evaporative system was disconnected (while I waited for parts and the time to get to the dealer) and vented to the atmosphere there was no perceptible difference in fuel economy.
The more I research this bike, the more I think it is for me. I can look past the fuel-filler being under the seat considering the gas mileage that is being reported for this bike. I won't be ready to buy until the middle of the summer, right about the time this is supposed to be released.
How does this bike handle the higher speeds? Does it buzz alot around 70? If one of our Euro ADV'ers can give me some insight on that I would greatly appreciate it. That is probably the key issue for me considering my commute to school includes a stretch of superslab.
Congrats Dorsi. I am considering picking one up when it comes to the states. So it is performing well in commuter traffic and in traffic at higher speeds? I ask that because part of my commute is stop and go and part is superslab at 80mph. Do you think it would work for me?
I was just on Hondas site & it looks like the U.S. is only going to get the silver & black option. That just sold a 650 Versys if it's true. I can deal with it being under powered but, I'm not a fan of the bikes look. The white/black & the red/black models struck me as something "similar" to attractive but, the silver/black one screams out "bland" to me.
The trunk space between the legs will surely prove useful but, my first trip was going to be to a machine shop to try to fabricate an extra fuel cell for that space. This bike is screaming out to me because I want the reliability of a Honda & the low reving engine will probably hit 100,000 miles easily. However, I've had several bikes from each of the big four & I don't think Honda is THAT much better than any of them.
The versys seems like a better bike in every way except MPGs. I thought the Versys was ugly at first but, when they redesigned the head light in 2010, I was shocked at how much better looking it got. I don't need a Busa but, G-forces are fun to play with & MPGs alone will not put a "bland" (IMO) machine in my garage. I really hope Honda gives U.S. the option of white/black &,or red/black because that will be just enough to tip the scales for me.
Why do you hate krylon?
I wonder how much longer bike makers can virtually ignore what's happening in car mileage. The NC700 makes a move towards high efficiency, 70 mpg, or maybe more, and that's commendable. My 250cc scooter gets that, so it is even more impressive. BUT...Mazda has the "Skyactive" engine in their Mazda 3 now, 160 hp, and it easily is getting 45 mpg. In Japan now, and allegedly coming to the US next year, is the Mazda 2 with the 1.3 85 HP Skyactive engine (interesting tech descriptions BTW) that gets 70 mpg. (vs the current 1.5 100 hp 40 mpg engine). I am not saying that spells doom for hybrids and TDI cars, but it is a significant achievement, one that I wonder bike makers will start to think about. I'd love to have a 350-400cc 35-40 hp 300-350 lb road bike that gets 100 mpg. To me, there's something wrong with owning and operating a bike that gets worse mileage than a car.
Paint a motorcycle? :eek1
What a silly idea.
Bikes have crap aerodynamics.
Unless you do a significant streamliner fairing a bike
is at a significant aero disadvantage to the latest cars
that have .25 or lower drag coefficients.
Yes, they do have crap aero numbers. OK; I'll settle for 30 hp and 300 lbs out of 400cc that gets 100 mpg - I think that is doable.
250 Ninja, for one. Check this out.
My 1972 Honda CB350 twin for two.......
.......as long as it has my pipes and carbs, my mild pocket porting, and the Rickman 1/2 fairing.
Bikes haven't come a huge way in the last 40 years in terms of economy, power absolutely, but not economy.
MPG's really do mean alot to me. That's just how I was raised. I can remember my dad ranting in the 70's when gas hit 75 cents a gallon. I'm actually very excited about the 700 X & my brain is telling me to go with the Honda but, my soul is saying get the Versys.
I've wanted a Versys ever since they redesigned the head light in 2010, it's as close to being "sexy" as a Japanese standard will ever come. Sure I could spend an extra $100 (trivial difference) & then spend more to have it painted but, I'll end up with a bike that's still not as attractive, wieghs 18 pounds more with 17 less H.P.
I still find myself wanting the 700 X because I know the figgures on paper will "probably" not even be noticable in real world riding. I haven't been this torn on a new bike purchase since 2000 when I was agonizing over a choice between the KLR 650 & the DRZ 400.
I could see this new Honda fitting my needs. I want to go places and do things/see things and I think this little piker would work just fine. With a price as low as it is, I wouldn't have any issues taking it for a spin an some fairly rough dirt either.
That front storage compartment is a great idea and as stupid as it sounds, that would be the thing that would make me pick the Honda over a wee.
I'm curious how the wind management is?
I am in the same boat as you. I am torn between the same two bikes, however I will almost certainly buy the Versys. I like what Honda is trying to do, and I really like it at that price point, but you can get a Versys in that price range as well. The MPG on the Versys is good enough for me, and I know what the performance is like on the Versys whereas the performance on the looks like it will be... anemic is probably the best word for it. Also, there is already a well-established aftermarket for the Versys (I already have a farkle list a mile long). The aftermarket for the NC700X remains to be seen, at least here in the states. For me, the NC700X is too risky to buy. I feel I have a much higher chance for disappointment in that bike as opposed to the Versys, too much to take a chance on it.
I don't know what the real world gas figures are for the Versys, but I did have an 06 ninja 650. I don't remember what it was advertised at, but i usually got 41 mpg. My previous bike, and 88 Honda Hawk gt650, with a stage one jet kit but stock exhaust, and air box, got high forties, low fifties. I thought the modern fuel injection of the Kawi would boost mileage.
My subsequent Hawks, after the ninja 650 (88, sold, 91, still have) get 52 when i ride hard, and not sure how much if I ride easy
I did a quick 300 miler on Saturday on my FJR (80% freeway at 75-85 mph and another 20% backroads at 55-65 mph) to test out a few farkles for some longer distance riding and got 46.4 mpg. That included more than a few quick runs to 100+ in addition.
Don't know too many autos that would be able to duplicate that mpg at those speeds.
The NSX700 does offer some seriously good mpg but wondering what the bike is capable of at a sustained 80 mph (gps speed not dreamometer)?
>>Whilst the NC is not as quick as the Crossrunner it is quite adequate for modern day traffic including motorways where it happily cruise at 80-85 MPH which is my usual speed whatever bike I'm on. the breaking is very good despite the single front disc and it is certainly flickable on A roads. When it comes to town riding it is superior to both the Crossrunner & VFR.http://www.ashonbikes.com/forum/honda-nc700x?page=16
I think I heard this guy say his mpg was between 64-76UK. I'd guess the low to be about 50US
It doesn't look under powered to me at all
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